1 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:19,160 [Music] 2 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:25,050 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:33,319 --> 00:00:28,640 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:34,610 --> 00:00:33,329 here's gene Steinberg welcome back to 5 00:00:37,639 --> 00:00:34,620 the power cast you've really had a 6 00:00:39,860 --> 00:00:37,649 fascinating show last week that has 7 00:00:42,380 --> 00:00:39,870 garnered some pretty interesting 8 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:42,390 comments so just wanted to mention it 9 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:44,970 very quickly before we go on we had Ryan 10 00:00:51,230 --> 00:00:48,350 Sprague one of the active young people 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:51,240 who has entered the UFO field and 12 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:53,730 paranormal fields in recent years and he 13 00:00:57,650 --> 00:00:55,440 did just a great job we hope to have him 14 00:00:59,690 --> 00:00:57,660 back in the near future I know most of 15 00:01:03,050 --> 00:00:59,700 you have wondering where Chris O'Brien 16 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:03,060 has been because he's been on the show 17 00:01:07,940 --> 00:01:05,040 with less frequency over the past couple 18 00:01:10,789 --> 00:01:07,950 of years partly as a result of illnesses 19 00:01:13,010 --> 00:01:10,799 after he gave up smoking which you got 20 00:01:14,660 --> 00:01:13,020 to think isn't smoking supposed to make 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:14,670 you ill I hope our guests do not smoke 22 00:01:20,539 --> 00:01:17,850 but I won't ask them but that isn't the 23 00:01:22,399 --> 00:01:20,549 issue here he found that everything he's 24 00:01:25,039 --> 00:01:22,409 doing is taking up an increasing amount 25 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:25,049 of time you started a major fundraiser 26 00:01:30,709 --> 00:01:27,889 for a San Luis Valley camera project and 27 00:01:32,989 --> 00:01:30,719 something had to give and after eight 28 00:01:36,709 --> 00:01:32,999 years of being the guest host on the 29 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:36,719 power cast we had to give and so we are 30 00:01:41,779 --> 00:01:39,329 proud to have had Chris making this show 31 00:01:43,940 --> 00:01:41,789 greater than ever and we wish him luck 32 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:43,950 in his new pursuits he's got a new radio 33 00:01:48,739 --> 00:01:46,590 show coming a much shorter one meaning 34 00:01:50,389 --> 00:01:48,749 less work on his part and of course 35 00:01:53,209 --> 00:01:50,399 he'll be continuing his work on the San 36 00:01:54,649 --> 00:01:53,219 Luis Valley camera project you can find 37 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:54,659 more information on what Chris is doing 38 00:02:01,309 --> 00:01:57,990 by the way on his site our strange 39 00:02:03,349 --> 00:02:01,319 planet comm which is actually hosted on 40 00:02:07,099 --> 00:02:03,359 our servers so we're still pretty close 41 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:07,109 to him so that is Chris O'Brien and we 42 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:09,209 appreciate his service to the parent 43 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:12,000 cast Kurt Collins is our guest co-host 44 00:02:15,980 --> 00:02:13,410 this week Kirk what have you been up to 45 00:02:19,460 --> 00:02:15,990 speaking of being up to things I'm gonna 46 00:02:21,949 --> 00:02:19,470 a series of articles on these my second 47 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:21,959 blog called the saucers at Tom 48 00:02:27,289 --> 00:02:24,329 would it its examining the legends of 49 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:27,299 hangar 18 and how that helped create the 50 00:02:31,910 --> 00:02:29,310 atmosphere that brought Roswell into the 51 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:31,920 public consciousness so that's the main 52 00:02:35,449 --> 00:02:33,209 thing I've been after and I still have 53 00:02:36,140 --> 00:02:35,459 some things going on and blue boring 54 00:02:41,929 --> 00:02:36,150 lines 55 00:02:43,819 --> 00:02:41,939 maybe we'll have Kurt doing after the 56 00:02:46,099 --> 00:02:43,829 para cast with us to talk about the 57 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:46,109 saucers that time forgot 58 00:02:52,729 --> 00:02:49,489 dr. Irena Scott was on the para cast 59 00:02:53,270 --> 00:02:52,739 last year for a book that she wrote at 60 00:02:55,789 --> 00:02:53,280 the time 61 00:02:58,250 --> 00:02:55,799 okay she's been a busy bee this is last 62 00:03:00,050 --> 00:02:58,260 July I bet you were doing so many 63 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:00,060 appearances since then I arena that you 64 00:03:07,580 --> 00:03:06,000 don't even remember right this was with 65 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:07,590 Jayne Randall Murphy as our guest 66 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:09,329 co-hosts we'll be back next week by the 67 00:03:14,149 --> 00:03:11,250 way to do a show and she wrote a book 68 00:03:17,259 --> 00:03:14,159 called UFOs today seventy years of Lies 69 00:03:19,819 --> 00:03:17,269 disinformation and government cover-up 70 00:03:23,390 --> 00:03:19,829 since then before we get to the new book 71 00:03:25,099 --> 00:03:23,400 what have you learned in regard to what 72 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:25,109 you follow certainly after that we had 73 00:03:31,460 --> 00:03:27,769 the Pentagon UFO study and everything 74 00:03:33,619 --> 00:03:31,470 yes the Pentagon your host study was 75 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:33,629 part of it was from the DIA 76 00:03:41,569 --> 00:03:37,260 and I worked through the I and my 77 00:03:44,089 --> 00:03:41,579 mission of the DIA was and so I thought 78 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:44,099 they probably knew a lot more than they 79 00:03:49,460 --> 00:03:47,190 let anyone know and I was kind of 80 00:03:52,339 --> 00:03:49,470 working in a relevant field but they 81 00:03:56,869 --> 00:03:52,349 didn't tell us anything about UFOs and 82 00:03:59,360 --> 00:03:56,879 so I thought the camera videos and 83 00:04:01,189 --> 00:03:59,370 things were very interesting do you 84 00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:01,199 think they show enough to give us any 85 00:04:06,559 --> 00:04:03,720 clues about UFOs or is just more stuff 86 00:04:09,140 --> 00:04:06,569 about UFO photographs we see those 87 00:04:11,509 --> 00:04:09,150 occasionally I think you'd have to be a 88 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:11,519 trained radar person you really 89 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:13,680 appreciate and I'm not I just went by 90 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:16,530 what other people said some of them said 91 00:04:20,979 --> 00:04:18,510 you know that they really showing 92 00:04:25,070 --> 00:04:20,989 something and someone said you know oh 93 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:25,080 okay I had the fair amount what did you 94 00:04:32,570 --> 00:04:28,969 probably the secret the military woman's 95 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:32,580 well I don't know myself whether I saw 96 00:04:37,450 --> 00:04:35,310 anything there that made a lot of 97 00:04:40,610 --> 00:04:37,460 difference to me Kirk what do you think 98 00:04:43,790 --> 00:04:40,620 this well this program has been in 99 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:43,800 pretty interesting and I think we have 100 00:04:47,810 --> 00:04:45,840 to be careful to separate what may have 101 00:04:51,170 --> 00:04:47,820 actually existed from the way things are 102 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:51,180 being promoted the there are a lot of 103 00:04:59,270 --> 00:04:54,570 people that are cheerleading that the to 104 00:05:00,530 --> 00:04:59,280 the Stars version of events and it's you 105 00:05:02,540 --> 00:05:00,540 know it almost happens with every 106 00:05:04,790 --> 00:05:02,550 exciting new development that that is 107 00:05:07,430 --> 00:05:04,800 kind of oversold so we really need to 108 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:07,440 bet the information carefully and and to 109 00:05:11,180 --> 00:05:09,510 find out what actually happened and what 110 00:05:13,910 --> 00:05:11,190 it what of substance was actually 111 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:13,920 produced I think that's you know we have 112 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:15,990 to be be careful because we have 113 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:18,120 certainly been sold a bill of goods 114 00:05:24,140 --> 00:05:20,490 before and the number of circumstances 115 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:24,150 with with with the sensational taken 116 00:05:29,870 --> 00:05:26,670 over well this is what was the problem 117 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:29,880 here there's I guess a desperation part 118 00:05:34,490 --> 00:05:31,770 of some people who follow UFOs 119 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:34,500 oh my god we've got something great and 120 00:05:40,490 --> 00:05:38,210 new here and therefore we need to 121 00:05:41,870 --> 00:05:40,500 broadcast as far and why but then you 122 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:41,880 have to look at the information and 123 00:05:48,770 --> 00:05:44,910 we've had photographs of UFOs for years 124 00:05:51,260 --> 00:05:48,780 and years and it's not as if they're 125 00:05:59,630 --> 00:05:51,270 necessarily any better than they were 126 00:06:02,180 --> 00:05:59,640 before well in the indicates that the 127 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:02,190 ones we're seeing now it's infrared 128 00:06:06,860 --> 00:06:05,370 images so it's either that the heat of 129 00:06:09,470 --> 00:06:06,870 the object or in some cases of 130 00:06:11,930 --> 00:06:09,480 reflection from heat from another source 131 00:06:14,510 --> 00:06:11,940 and we're not seeing the in these 132 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:14,520 instances not the actual objects just 133 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:18,180 just images so you know we have to be 134 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:20,010 careful with that because you know just 135 00:06:24,620 --> 00:06:22,890 the heat signature from from something 136 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:24,630 can be quite different than the actual 137 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:29,370 object yes one thing that that it 138 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:32,010 reminded me of was I was at 139 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:34,290 wright-patterson in one there were 140 00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:36,810 secured buildings in a meeting about 141 00:06:42,380 --> 00:06:39,840 UFOs and the rest of people were 142 00:06:43,190 --> 00:06:42,390 military people with clearances and I 143 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:43,200 didn't have clearance 144 00:06:48,470 --> 00:06:46,050 I knew the archivists there and he 145 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:48,480 invited me but in the middle of his 146 00:06:52,140 --> 00:06:49,690 meeting 147 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:52,150 somebody said that everything from 148 00:06:58,529 --> 00:06:54,610 Project Blue Book was now unclassified 149 00:07:02,550 --> 00:06:58,539 and the similar data and somebody stood 150 00:07:06,540 --> 00:07:02,560 up and said but what about the the 151 00:07:09,659 --> 00:07:06,550 airplane camera video footage I mean 152 00:07:13,290 --> 00:07:09,669 this was before that came out and the 153 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:13,300 person suddenly said I must remind you 154 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:15,610 if there's people in here that don't 155 00:07:19,589 --> 00:07:17,710 have a clearance and that made me a 156 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:19,599 little bit suspicious I mean the gun 157 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:21,630 camera what do you just want me to say 158 00:07:27,930 --> 00:07:26,110 but that sort of made me wonder well 159 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:27,940 that's interesting I know when was this 160 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:33,930 uh it was a maybe twenty years ago or so 161 00:07:42,330 --> 00:07:37,810 okay yeah you know that type of footage 162 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:42,340 then well I didn't expect that this was 163 00:07:50,719 --> 00:07:46,330 anything new but see they treated it the 164 00:07:54,060 --> 00:07:50,729 media as if oh my gosh golly gee whiz 165 00:07:56,909 --> 00:07:54,070 the government's looking into UFOs and I 166 00:08:01,820 --> 00:07:56,919 thought Project Blue Book Project sign 167 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:01,830 project grudge how soon they forget 168 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:04,560 well and this probably wasn't the main 169 00:08:11,459 --> 00:08:07,289 you're investigating something this was 170 00:08:15,930 --> 00:08:11,469 done by particular people and not some 171 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:15,940 ultra secret part of the government yes 172 00:08:20,490 --> 00:08:18,490 indeed and I don't know that I've 173 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:20,500 brought anything but publicity but what 174 00:08:25,439 --> 00:08:22,330 happens when you have situations like 175 00:08:28,140 --> 00:08:25,449 this in the UFO field as you know you 176 00:08:30,659 --> 00:08:28,150 have a flurry of interest and then maybe 177 00:08:32,490 --> 00:08:30,669 there's some follow-ups and there are 178 00:08:36,060 --> 00:08:32,500 additional interviews here and there and 179 00:08:38,639 --> 00:08:36,070 then it sort of begins to die off unless 180 00:08:42,469 --> 00:08:38,649 there are some new UFO events sightings 181 00:08:44,940 --> 00:08:42,479 or something to keep things going well 182 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:44,950 you know what happens next it just sort 183 00:08:55,620 --> 00:08:50,140 of dies off okay well I think the 184 00:08:59,460 --> 00:08:55,630 government has footage of UFOs and that 185 00:09:01,710 --> 00:08:59,470 sort of thing but I don't know how you I 186 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:01,720 don't think the government was close 187 00:09:03,670 --> 00:09:03,310 when you say they're disclosing things 188 00:09:07,269 --> 00:09:03,680 like 189 00:09:08,889 --> 00:09:07,279 you really are disclosing much I know we 190 00:09:11,710 --> 00:09:08,899 don't mention this enough but we should 191 00:09:14,170 --> 00:09:11,720 you can comment about any episode of the 192 00:09:16,750 --> 00:09:14,180 show or a lot of other issues in our 193 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:16,760 forums go to forum dot of the para cast 194 00:09:23,110 --> 00:09:19,970 com that's forum dot the para cast comm 195 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:23,120 for the world famous parent cast forums 196 00:09:28,389 --> 00:09:25,610 where most anything can happen and 197 00:09:31,030 --> 00:09:28,399 usually does and also we give you an 198 00:09:33,220 --> 00:09:31,040 opportunity there to ask questions of 199 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:33,230 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00:13:53,180 eight eight six three six five three 312 00:14:00,579 --> 00:13:55,550 eight seven seven eight eight six three 313 00:14:05,569 --> 00:14:03,559 we'd like to hear from you if you have a 314 00:14:09,259 --> 00:14:05,579 comment or question about the para cast 315 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:09,269 sent it to news at the para cast com 316 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:13,050 that's news at the para cast calm and 317 00:14:18,170 --> 00:14:14,970 don't forget to visit our famous para 318 00:14:22,189 --> 00:14:18,180 cast community forums at forum dot the 319 00:14:24,170 --> 00:14:22,199 para cast calm let me remind you that 320 00:14:25,790 --> 00:14:24,180 we've got a great second show called 321 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:25,800 after the power cast last week Paul 322 00:14:30,769 --> 00:14:28,170 Kimball was here and he was talking 323 00:14:34,119 --> 00:14:30,779 about some questions that Ryan spray 324 00:14:37,069 --> 00:14:34,129 could pose but also about the fact that 325 00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:37,079 there is this emphasis again on the 326 00:14:41,929 --> 00:14:40,079 extra-terrestrial theory about UFOs and 327 00:14:45,590 --> 00:14:41,939 what about these other possibilities 328 00:14:48,259 --> 00:14:45,600 like the co-creation theory that we talk 329 00:14:50,059 --> 00:14:48,269 about every so often so that was 330 00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:50,069 fascinating another witty here that show 331 00:14:54,439 --> 00:14:52,079 was to be a member of the power cast 332 00:14:57,559 --> 00:14:54,449 plus how do you do it simple neighbors 333 00:15:00,860 --> 00:14:57,569 go to plus dot the para cast calm once 334 00:15:06,590 --> 00:15:00,870 again that's plus dot the para cast come 335 00:15:09,949 --> 00:15:06,600 now dr. Scott has a brand new book out 336 00:15:12,110 --> 00:15:09,959 and it's published by our old friend 337 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:12,120 Philip mantel it's called inside the 338 00:15:17,780 --> 00:15:14,310 lightning ball scientific study of 339 00:15:19,970 --> 00:15:17,790 lifelong UFO experiences and the thing 340 00:15:22,819 --> 00:15:19,980 to bear in mind with regard to this book 341 00:15:26,290 --> 00:15:22,829 is that so often when you look at UFO 342 00:15:27,819 --> 00:15:26,300 sightings they are almost always or 343 00:15:31,249 --> 00:15:27,829 invariably 344 00:15:33,530 --> 00:15:31,259 one-time events you see a UFO or maybe 345 00:15:36,620 --> 00:15:33,540 you see it again but there are people 346 00:15:40,490 --> 00:15:36,630 who start seeing UFOs when they're very 347 00:15:41,139 --> 00:15:40,500 young and they keep seeing it over the 348 00:15:43,939 --> 00:15:41,149 years 349 00:15:47,329 --> 00:15:43,949 can you give us an idea how you first 350 00:15:49,819 --> 00:15:47,339 got interested in this approach the way 351 00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:49,829 I first got interested in it was before 352 00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:53,279 I knew anything about UFOs and it was 353 00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:54,959 several years before I even heard of 354 00:16:02,329 --> 00:16:00,480 them but my sister and I had something 355 00:16:04,249 --> 00:16:02,339 happened to a singer really young I 356 00:16:07,610 --> 00:16:04,259 don't think she was even in school yet 357 00:16:10,850 --> 00:16:07,620 where we were well we were on a farm in 358 00:16:12,139 --> 00:16:10,860 a rural area we had one radio and we 359 00:16:12,820 --> 00:16:12,149 weren't really in contact with the 360 00:16:19,060 --> 00:16:12,830 outside 361 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:19,070 much but we were sleeping in on opposite 362 00:16:25,870 --> 00:16:22,610 sides of a room and we both woke up at 363 00:16:28,690 --> 00:16:25,880 the same time and there was a stink 364 00:16:31,450 --> 00:16:28,700 flying around in our room it was dark 365 00:16:34,810 --> 00:16:31,460 and it looked at me like metal it was 366 00:16:38,590 --> 00:16:34,820 small it was maybe an inch diameter and 367 00:16:40,660 --> 00:16:38,600 I'm just looking around like a just 368 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:40,670 looked like sort of a browsing thing 369 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:42,410 like a butterfly going from flower to 370 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:45,410 flower I think it went up and down and 371 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:49,310 around everything and we just watched it 372 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:51,170 I didn't know she was awake but she knew 373 00:16:57,190 --> 00:16:53,450 I was awake so we weren't influencing 374 00:16:58,840 --> 00:16:57,200 each other and we both saw it separately 375 00:17:03,730 --> 00:16:58,850 even though I'm talking to each other 376 00:17:05,770 --> 00:17:03,740 and it was just like an insect there's 377 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:05,780 something flying around they look like 378 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:07,730 metal and it looked nothing like a 379 00:17:11,980 --> 00:17:09,230 lightning bug 380 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:11,990 it didn't turn off her honor changing 381 00:17:19,050 --> 00:17:16,850 appearance it just browsed and even 382 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:19,060 though that's very young at that age I 383 00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:21,110 still knew there was something not right 384 00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:26,270 about it because if I knew its way 385 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:30,080 around the room it would come to a wall 386 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:32,330 or a piece of furniture and it would 387 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:34,250 turn some distance before it got there 388 00:17:38,770 --> 00:17:36,650 and so it seemed to know where things 389 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:38,780 were it didn't Buffy and they thinking 390 00:17:46,510 --> 00:17:44,240 that was flying around the room and up 391 00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:46,520 and down and back and forth it's not 392 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:50,000 just a straight line I had seen a 393 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:53,210 lightning ball about a year before that 394 00:17:59,260 --> 00:17:56,330 and I didn't have any feeling about the 395 00:18:02,220 --> 00:17:59,270 lightning ball like I did about this but 396 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:02,230 after a while of flying around the room 397 00:18:10,420 --> 00:18:08,510 it suddenly flew up to the ceiling but 398 00:18:12,850 --> 00:18:10,430 it didn't get to the ceiling it stopped 399 00:18:15,550 --> 00:18:12,860 before it was it the ceiling and then it 400 00:18:19,150 --> 00:18:15,560 kind of a right angle it went along the 401 00:18:20,830 --> 00:18:19,160 ceiling and came to our chandelier and 402 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:20,840 the chandelier was turned off and 403 00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:23,750 everything but without feeling anything 404 00:18:28,659 --> 00:18:26,720 or having any idea where anything was 405 00:18:31,899 --> 00:18:28,669 they're just very smoothly began to 406 00:18:33,999 --> 00:18:31,909 circle the chandelier and it seemed to 407 00:18:37,779 --> 00:18:34,009 speed up a little then this might have 408 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:37,789 circled about 20 times or so and then it 409 00:18:43,060 --> 00:18:40,609 kind of made it real geometrical spiral 410 00:18:45,879 --> 00:18:43,070 right down into the chandelier well 411 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:45,889 suddenly at the same time again my 412 00:18:51,729 --> 00:18:48,710 sister and I became terrified and we 413 00:18:53,919 --> 00:18:51,739 both ran out of the room shrieking and 414 00:18:58,299 --> 00:18:53,929 fell down the stairs and ran to our 415 00:19:00,519 --> 00:18:58,309 parents and they didn't believe us but 416 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:00,529 nobody the family had heard about UFOs 417 00:19:04,649 --> 00:19:03,049 and lightning balls or anything and we 418 00:19:06,999 --> 00:19:04,659 both had the feeling that something 419 00:19:11,169 --> 00:19:07,009 wasn't right with this and it wasn't 420 00:19:13,989 --> 00:19:11,179 just a mechanical thing or anything like 421 00:19:17,589 --> 00:19:13,999 a lightning ball so that was my first 422 00:19:21,479 --> 00:19:17,599 experience and it was many many many 423 00:19:26,379 --> 00:19:21,489 years before I thought this might be a 424 00:19:29,409 --> 00:19:26,389 UFO at the time when I reported them 425 00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:29,419 then I reported to the Center for UFO 426 00:19:39,969 --> 00:19:35,440 studies and many years later this was in 427 00:19:42,639 --> 00:19:39,979 1984 but some of my family still 428 00:19:46,029 --> 00:19:42,649 remembers it so I can document that 429 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:46,039 happened way back then and my sister 430 00:19:51,310 --> 00:19:47,570 wrote up a report and I wrote up a 431 00:19:52,779 --> 00:19:51,320 report but suffered my mother and my 432 00:19:57,369 --> 00:19:52,789 mother's report was a little different 433 00:20:00,009 --> 00:19:57,379 because she said that something came in 434 00:20:04,060 --> 00:20:00,019 our window and then she said a little 435 00:20:06,190 --> 00:20:04,070 light bill around the room and the it 436 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:06,200 disappeared then we became scared and 437 00:20:10,930 --> 00:20:08,210 ran down the room she heard whatever we 438 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:10,940 said secondhand but she might have been 439 00:20:14,830 --> 00:20:12,590 an adult she might have picked up things 440 00:20:17,019 --> 00:20:14,840 we didn't know about because neither of 441 00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:17,029 us knew Mount got in the room we just 442 00:20:24,629 --> 00:20:21,440 woke up at the same time and I wrote I 443 00:20:27,789 --> 00:20:24,639 sent that in and rode up any 444 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:27,799 international UFO reporter and this was 445 00:20:36,909 --> 00:20:32,450 because I had seen an article in there 446 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:36,919 written by Jenny Randall's it was a 1988 447 00:20:44,180 --> 00:20:40,330 where she talked about 448 00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:44,190 when small children young children see 449 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:46,840 objects in their rooms and she called 450 00:20:54,570 --> 00:20:50,320 him like bedroom visitations and that 451 00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,580 was the first I really thought maybe 452 00:21:00,210 --> 00:20:55,840 this had something to do with UFOs 453 00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:00,220 because otherwise I just had no idea our 454 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:04,270 report was kind of odd because usually 455 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:06,250 something like that just happens to one 456 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:08,710 person and it's happened to my sister 457 00:21:19,370 --> 00:21:15,250 and I together and then later on we had 458 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:19,380 adult sightings together too and usually 459 00:21:25,530 --> 00:21:23,050 their sighting by a child would be one 460 00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:25,540 person and then if they have adult 461 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:27,880 sightings somebody else but we both had 462 00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:31,110 the same sightings a couple of times and 463 00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:37,270 to mention something that we wondered 464 00:21:44,820 --> 00:21:41,260 about was we watched the object or maybe 465 00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:44,830 several minutes but I have no idea how 466 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:49,030 long it was there because it we both 467 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:52,170 woke up in the room and it was there and 468 00:22:02,130 --> 00:21:57,130 I did some studies of um lightning balls 469 00:22:03,870 --> 00:22:02,140 and apparently this they can in some 470 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:03,880 cases they can correlate the size of a 471 00:22:09,390 --> 00:22:06,370 lightning ball with the time it lasts 472 00:22:12,450 --> 00:22:09,400 and things like that but ours was very 473 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:12,460 small and according to some of the 474 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:14,050 studies it shouldn't disappear you're 475 00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,290 fast we've got to do our break now dr. 476 00:22:22,620 --> 00:22:20,080 Irena Scott and we're focusing here a 477 00:22:25,980 --> 00:22:22,630 big portion of the show on her new book 478 00:22:30,930 --> 00:22:25,990 where she's writing about sightings that 479 00:22:32,850 --> 00:22:30,940 occur over a lifetime UFO related 480 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:32,860 experiences gets more and more 481 00:22:42,250 --> 00:22:35,410 fascinating with Kurt Collins as our 482 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:49,560 [Music] 483 00:22:57,450 --> 00:22:53,450 thank you for listening to GCN 484 00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,460 be sure to visit GCN live.com today 485 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:00,080 healthcare reform is confusing but 486 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:01,370 whether it's finding an affordable 487 00:23:04,629 --> 00:23:03,289 insurance plan keeping your doctor or 488 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:04,639 being able to afford needed 489 00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:06,289 prescriptions 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00:24:43,309 illegally New York Cardinal Timothy 532 00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:45,710 Dolan tells our lawmakers to stop 533 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:47,929 arguing and agree on a measure that 534 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:50,210 works but we got some cold laws that 535 00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:52,370 need to be enforced in a very prudent 536 00:24:57,759 --> 00:24:55,039 just way we also need a good dose of the 537 00:25:00,669 --> 00:24:57,769 heart you're listening to us a radio 538 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:00,679 news hi I'm Wayne Allyn root I was one 539 00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:02,090 of the biggest critics of Barack Obama 540 00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:03,710 in the national media you may remember 541 00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:05,630 from stories at Fox News 542 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:07,910 I was under massive IRS attack I 543 00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:09,770 interviewed all the top tax lawyers in 544 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:12,680 America and I hired Sam Landis Sam did 545 00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:15,050 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00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:38,000 back guarantee so you have nothing to 588 00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:40,310 lose and here's my best offer ever you 589 00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:41,990 can buy one of my pillows and get one 590 00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:44,750 absolutely free go to my pillow comm or 591 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:05,769 [Music] 592 00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:07,869 hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer 593 00:27:11,950 --> 00:27:10,039 of dark skies the co-author of AD after 594 00:27:14,099 --> 00:27:11,960 disclosure and you are listening to the 595 00:27:23,769 --> 00:27:14,109 para cast the gold standard of 596 00:27:25,899 --> 00:27:23,779 paranormal radio before we go on with 597 00:27:28,930 --> 00:27:25,909 Irina Kurt you have a question of her 598 00:27:31,089 --> 00:27:28,940 well so we know we're you the title of 599 00:27:33,849 --> 00:27:31,099 your book where that came from now so 600 00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,859 that that that's good so the experience 601 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:35,840 that you had I think it's really 602 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:38,210 interesting because you could tell the 603 00:27:45,549 --> 00:27:42,289 same story to a UFO investigator and 604 00:27:47,019 --> 00:27:45,559 probably a paranormal investigator and 605 00:27:50,349 --> 00:27:47,029 they would be equally interested in this 606 00:27:53,589 --> 00:27:50,359 and they might have completely conflict 607 00:27:56,649 --> 00:27:53,599 Inge conclusions or expectations about 608 00:27:58,930 --> 00:27:56,659 what was going on so um and it sounded 609 00:28:01,419 --> 00:27:58,940 like you didn't initially think consider 610 00:28:03,789 --> 00:28:01,429 this a UFO event until till finding more 611 00:28:06,729 --> 00:28:03,799 about it so so how do your feelings 612 00:28:07,719 --> 00:28:06,739 about differ from the initial experience 613 00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:07,729 now that you've gained more experience 614 00:28:14,379 --> 00:28:12,320 and have a greater background well I had 615 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:14,389 more feelings about that than I did 616 00:28:18,849 --> 00:28:16,070 about anything else and it really wasn't 617 00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:18,859 much of anything which is the lightener 618 00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:21,950 room but I was absolutely terrified this 619 00:28:28,239 --> 00:28:24,710 may be the scariest labor was in my life 620 00:28:30,459 --> 00:28:28,249 and the same for my sister and we both 621 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,469 felt it wasn't something normal it was 622 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:33,440 many years before we thought this might 623 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:36,289 have to do with UFOs and before that we 624 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:39,710 just had no idea what was I mentioned I 625 00:28:45,219 --> 00:28:42,289 had seen a lightning ball when I was 626 00:28:47,589 --> 00:28:45,229 really young and I didn't know what 627 00:28:50,169 --> 00:28:47,599 lightning balls were either but I didn't 628 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:50,179 have a feelings about them I mean I just 629 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:53,210 started screaming everything there 630 00:28:58,329 --> 00:28:55,609 wasn't anything that felt funny about 631 00:29:01,690 --> 00:28:58,339 but this reminded me of something that 632 00:29:05,259 --> 00:29:01,700 was alive because it seemed to be able 633 00:29:08,139 --> 00:29:05,269 to guide itself and know where it was 634 00:29:09,820 --> 00:29:08,149 going and that made me subjective but it 635 00:29:12,729 --> 00:29:09,830 certainly didn't bump into anything it 636 00:29:14,469 --> 00:29:12,739 got close to walls and things and went 637 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:14,479 on around them it didn't in turn it 638 00:29:19,150 --> 00:29:17,720 didn't hit anything and so it seemed odd 639 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:19,160 and 640 00:29:23,650 --> 00:29:21,890 so seemed odd that we both woke up with 641 00:29:26,050 --> 00:29:23,660 something in the room because we didn't 642 00:29:28,990 --> 00:29:26,060 have anything that woke us up that we 643 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:29,000 knew about and also we both became 644 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:32,210 terrified at the same time and we don't 645 00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:34,010 know why that was either we both his 646 00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:35,750 shrieked at the same time and ran out of 647 00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:38,630 the room and the object seemed to be 648 00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:42,980 powered because it emitted light it flew 649 00:29:48,790 --> 00:29:45,860 around and there weren't there wasn't a 650 00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:48,800 breezes in the room or anything but it 651 00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:51,350 it flew up and down and around when it 652 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:52,910 went to the ceiling it food right up to 653 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:55,250 the ceiling it made a straight line to 654 00:30:00,010 --> 00:29:58,010 the chandelier it mustn't know where the 655 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:00,020 chandelier was because it didn't bump 656 00:30:05,860 --> 00:30:01,730 into anything he just started circling 657 00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:05,870 very smoothly and so it didn't seem 658 00:30:12,370 --> 00:30:08,630 natural and it seemed powered to 659 00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:12,380 especially when it could fly up looking 660 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:14,620 back on it do you feel that it was I 661 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:19,010 that it was something mechanical no I 662 00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,130 well I felt that it was I mean this may 663 00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:27,760 be subjective but I fell it was guided 664 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:31,520 so I didn't feel it was natural I don't 665 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:34,010 know if it's mechanic or what it was it 666 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:37,850 just didn't seem natural the others 667 00:30:42,010 --> 00:30:40,370 finish you had which is very rare in and 668 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:42,020 of itself not many people see ball 669 00:30:47,650 --> 00:30:44,690 lightning so obvious it was a different 670 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:47,660 event so but when that happened was this 671 00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:50,330 something that was I've heard 672 00:30:57,670 --> 00:30:53,030 descriptions of him rolling along the 673 00:31:00,460 --> 00:30:57,680 ground how did the ball lightning that 674 00:31:03,850 --> 00:31:00,470 was outdoors how did that look well I 675 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:03,860 discovered in thinking about that I had 676 00:31:09,550 --> 00:31:07,610 seen maybe two balls of lightning and 677 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:09,560 the other one was where I got the title 678 00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:12,290 of book from but with this one I was 679 00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:16,720 very young about five years older so and 680 00:31:21,940 --> 00:31:19,400 there's a thunderstorm going on so 681 00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:21,950 obviously it was both like me and I 682 00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:24,830 looked up at the sky and about even with 683 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:26,620 the top of the window is looking through 684 00:31:32,650 --> 00:31:30,410 there was a ball it was basketball sized 685 00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:32,660 and it looked kind of like the colored 686 00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:33,440 why 687 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:35,150 and I'd never heard of anything like 688 00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:37,010 that in big five years old I just 689 00:31:43,510 --> 00:31:38,750 started screaming and crying and 690 00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:43,520 everything the grown-ups coming down but 691 00:31:47,950 --> 00:31:45,020 I didn't have any weird feelings about 692 00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:47,960 it but this other object this was 693 00:31:53,860 --> 00:31:50,990 something that was you said this was the 694 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:53,870 size of about a basketball now that the 695 00:31:57,910 --> 00:31:55,970 one indoors that you saw there was you 696 00:32:00,790 --> 00:31:57,920 know obviously something completely 697 00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:00,800 different so was it like something that 698 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:02,230 would have hit in the palm of your hand 699 00:32:08,140 --> 00:32:05,809 how large was it what in our room was 700 00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:08,150 pretty small I'd say about an inch in 701 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:08,990 diameter 702 00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:13,250 okay I think it was you I think it was 703 00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:17,150 smaller than normal you know what I you 704 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:19,100 listen to this I think of the science 705 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:20,570 fiction movies where they show little 706 00:32:27,390 --> 00:32:23,570 space probes from the aliens shooting 707 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:27,400 around rooms and such or in the woods 708 00:32:32,169 --> 00:32:30,320 does that give you a sense of similarity 709 00:32:35,049 --> 00:32:32,179 there you know what I'm talking about 710 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:35,059 right well what gave me the sense of 711 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:40,820 very many years later in 1984 when I had 712 00:32:46,690 --> 00:32:43,490 first read about Jenny 713 00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:46,700 Randall's book about small children 714 00:32:52,150 --> 00:32:50,030 experiencing small UFO like things in 715 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:52,160 their bedroom and then growing up and 716 00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,530 seeing larger UFOs later and you really 717 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:00,320 took that pattern so it was sort of 718 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,290 interesting before that I well I really 719 00:33:11,169 --> 00:33:09,200 hadn't thought about maybe this is a UFO 720 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:11,179 I just thought I don't know what that is 721 00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:13,490 you know I definitely remember that 722 00:33:23,230 --> 00:33:20,990 having the lightning ball to in the the 723 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:23,240 title the book was because I had another 724 00:33:31,049 --> 00:33:27,170 experience of the lightning ball if 725 00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:31,059 you'd like to hear that oh sure go ahead 726 00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:35,630 okay I found out as I was writing my 727 00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:38,900 book that my family had seen an abnormal 728 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:41,390 number of lightning bolts and had close 729 00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:43,490 sightings and I didn't know that night 730 00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,140 changed the book as it was practically 731 00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:46,960 going press 732 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:50,440 but what happened with the inside the 733 00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:53,890 Lightning Bowl event was I was in Texas 734 00:34:02,130 --> 00:33:58,200 I was on a patio that was elevated in 735 00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:02,140 wood and it was you could overlook at 736 00:34:06,150 --> 00:34:04,990 really old extinct volcanic volcano 737 00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:06,160 crater 738 00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:10,000 and I was just had my video on in taking 739 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:14,560 pictures videos and suddenly lightning 740 00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:18,010 struck and it struck right beside me I 741 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:23,800 could see the Lightning and normally 742 00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:27,070 you'd get killed but I was free 743 00:34:33,570 --> 00:34:30,550 insulated place on the patio and it was 744 00:34:38,490 --> 00:34:33,580 wood and it was above where it struck 745 00:34:39,570 --> 00:34:38,500 and so anyway it's so close and all I 746 00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:39,580 could see was a whiteout 747 00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:43,030 and I couldn't hear anything after yeah 748 00:34:47,879 --> 00:34:45,669 it was so loud then I went in looked at 749 00:34:49,649 --> 00:34:47,889 the video later and all I saw was a 750 00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:49,659 whiteout I thought oh this is boring I 751 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:51,960 didn't get the strike room then but 752 00:34:59,790 --> 00:34:54,850 begin reading about lightening ball 753 00:35:02,730 --> 00:34:59,800 lightning and apparently if you're real 754 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:02,740 close to the lightning you'll see you 755 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:05,530 may see you way out and I certainly saw 756 00:35:11,730 --> 00:35:07,810 whiteout but what was interesting was a 757 00:35:13,260 --> 00:35:11,740 camera got the whiteout too and when it 758 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:13,270 happened that seemed to me like the 759 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:15,850 whiteout was just kind of like a spear 760 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:19,330 or something around the lightning but my 761 00:35:25,710 --> 00:35:21,910 camera got the whiteout and then there 762 00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:25,720 was a cell tower about 150 feet away and 763 00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:30,369 it also captured big um I don't know if 764 00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:34,990 you tone nut sparks but shorts really 765 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:37,720 big shorts going up the guy wire and 766 00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:40,570 that was some distance away I didn't see 767 00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:42,190 it at all with my eyes but my camera got 768 00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:44,350 it and so this had been a really 769 00:35:50,010 --> 00:35:47,740 powerful lightning strike because that 770 00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:50,020 far away it was shorting up her guy 771 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:52,060 water and the guy rod was big and thick 772 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:54,310 I'm listening to the surface of it and 773 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:56,530 of course I can't really make a comment 774 00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,210 about something I haven't seen 775 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:00,640 but in a way it kind of strikes me is 776 00:36:05,579 --> 00:36:03,910 some kind of electrical phenomenon and I 777 00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:05,589 just want to see if I can understand 778 00:36:09,810 --> 00:36:08,080 further why it might have an intelligent 779 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:09,820 connection and we can explore that and 780 00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:12,130 ongoing experiences in our next segment 781 00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:16,270 with Jean Steinberg Kurt Collins dr. 782 00:36:21,420 --> 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908 00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:40,560 balls of light and people feel like they 909 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:44,220 have been communicated with through that 910 00:41:47,570 --> 00:41:45,570 so you know I really don't know what to 911 00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:47,580 make of it but just know that this 912 00:41:54,110 --> 00:41:49,320 sometimes is definitely gonna leave an 913 00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:54,120 impression and the experiencer and it's 914 00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,030 easy to bring biases into such a 915 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:00,000 situation you know I just it would be 916 00:42:04,610 --> 00:42:01,530 interesting to see a fist fight between 917 00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:04,620 the paranormal and the the nuts and 918 00:42:08,990 --> 00:42:07,470 bolts UFO guys to see you know they 919 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:09,000 might want both want to fight over this 920 00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:11,970 story well what impressed me was that 921 00:42:16,820 --> 00:42:14,430 the two lightning strikes just seemed 922 00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:16,830 like lightning but the one in our room 923 00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:24,780 not seem natural with and this one did 924 00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:27,000 you photograph though dude used to have 925 00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:30,630 the damages from that I put it on 926 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:33,240 YouTube and I said need the address of 927 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:36,570 the YouTube in my book and I also put a 928 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:40,050 picture in the book of I took the video 929 00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:43,890 of the Lightning shorting up the guy 930 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:46,320 wired you could see the mountains in the 931 00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:51,210 background in the power and it was some 932 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:53,730 distance away on the other side tree but 933 00:43:00,280 --> 00:42:57,810 you can see the the shorts going up the 934 00:43:05,780 --> 00:43:00,290 guy wire and they were pretty big shorts 935 00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:05,790 and I put that picture in the book well 936 00:43:11,060 --> 00:43:07,710 then that's something I wanted to ask 937 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:11,070 you about so the we in your in your last 938 00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:13,650 UFO book it was more of an overall 939 00:43:19,220 --> 00:43:16,740 history and at this one obviously is 940 00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:19,230 more of your own personal experiences so 941 00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:23,280 do you do you include your scientific 942 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:26,900 investigations in this as well yes I do 943 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:30,090 can you tell us about some of the some 944 00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,370 of those and just you know some of the 945 00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:34,560 things that well you know in general and 946 00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:35,640 maybe you know it's 947 00:43:41,570 --> 00:43:37,020 something that you discussed in the book 948 00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:41,580 but not necessarily yeah my sister and I 949 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:45,500 had another experience years later 950 00:43:52,340 --> 00:43:49,410 together again and it was pretty where 951 00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:52,350 it was very long and complex it was so 952 00:43:59,770 --> 00:43:56,940 fun complex it when I published it in 953 00:44:05,540 --> 00:43:59,780 the eye you are they put in two sections 954 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:05,550 but this was again we weren't thinking 955 00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:07,530 about UFOs we were both living on the 956 00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:09,720 East Coast and we cited Sita from 957 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:13,440 Greenland States and I was working for 958 00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,450 the DIA with a lot of clearances and 959 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:17,760 stuff so I wasn't insane or anything and 960 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:21,090 she was working she was in with graduate 961 00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:25,530 college and do Drew University in New 962 00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:28,440 Jersey and so I drove up and picked her 963 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:31,950 up and we went to Boston and we got 964 00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,250 there a little early and drove up route 965 00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:37,920 three and later found out that sort of 966 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:41,700 Betty and Barney Hill abduction took 967 00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:43,410 place but at the time we didn't know 968 00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:45,990 anything about that and I didn't know 969 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:49,380 anything about UFOs either and we were 970 00:44:57,260 --> 00:44:53,010 driving out of Boston and my sister 971 00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,270 there was we were on route 9 going west 972 00:45:03,980 --> 00:45:00,240 and we could look to the south and we 973 00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:03,990 could see this funny thing and look like 974 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:07,160 it's fun the roads it was just a light 975 00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:11,490 looking off and on we could see 976 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:14,430 airplanes coming from the east and going 977 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:17,010 over it and landing there was an airport 978 00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:21,090 there Norwood Municipal Airport I think 979 00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:23,460 it was a small airport you could see the 980 00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:25,740 red lights and the landing like sniffing 981 00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:29,220 of planes and this seemed to be lower 982 00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:32,280 than the airplanes and my sister started 983 00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:36,060 saying that this isn't normal and she 984 00:45:42,020 --> 00:45:39,540 starts saying maybe this is a UFO and I 985 00:45:43,310 --> 00:45:42,030 was thought she just flipped and said I 986 00:45:47,570 --> 00:45:43,320 don't know it's a helicopter 987 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:47,580 and we argued quite a bit 988 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:49,890 and we both told each other we'd seen 989 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,010 UFOs before and that's the first time 990 00:45:57,620 --> 00:45:54,720 we've ever talked about because our 991 00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:57,630 parents didn't approve us talking about 992 00:46:03,350 --> 00:46:00,780 that sort of thing and so we turned I 993 00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:03,360 turned on them 128 which is the outer 994 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:06,420 about one south we could still see it in 995 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:10,530 front of us and we kept on arguing and I 996 00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:12,570 told it was really obvious because it 997 00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:15,030 was very very white light he was flying 998 00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:17,910 nothing like anything else is flying but 999 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:20,220 I thought this is so obvious that if it 1000 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:23,490 really were UFO that the police and the 1001 00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:25,050 newspapers and everything else would be 1002 00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:27,030 out looking at so I thought it couldn't 1003 00:46:33,859 --> 00:46:31,020 possibly be a UFO and she was watching 1004 00:46:36,350 --> 00:46:33,869 it whereas I was driving and seeing a 1005 00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:36,360 lot more than I did but she said it 1006 00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:39,180 would be one place and it would flip and 1007 00:46:44,770 --> 00:46:41,400 be someplace else just like that just 1008 00:46:47,410 --> 00:46:44,780 like it move so fast you couldn't see it 1009 00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:47,420 which I wasn't paying attention to and 1010 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:51,000 so I got on route 95 that was going 1011 00:46:58,220 --> 00:46:55,410 south and there was a woods on the west 1012 00:47:01,730 --> 00:46:58,230 side of the road and as I was driving 1013 00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:01,740 along I saw this round thing in the 1014 00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:06,780 woods it was like a basketball it was 1015 00:47:13,310 --> 00:47:10,560 like a basketball made out of glass and 1016 00:47:15,260 --> 00:47:13,320 there was a light inside of it and kept 1017 00:47:17,540 --> 00:47:15,270 going to a spectrum it would go through 1018 00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:17,550 a spectrum of all shades of red and all 1019 00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:19,710 shades of blue then all shades of red 1020 00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:22,680 again and I thought what on earth is 1021 00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:23,220 that 1022 00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:27,540 and then the inside by car lit up in 1023 00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,260 green and I thought what on earth is 1024 00:47:37,870 --> 00:47:33,420 going on and I couldn't figure it out 1025 00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:37,880 and I thought it must have come from the 1026 00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:42,480 ball-shaped thing because court I didn't 1027 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:43,710 know of any place else it could have 1028 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:45,930 come from I saw no beam at all anywhere 1029 00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:49,650 I saw no green anyplace the ball of 1030 00:47:55,340 --> 00:47:52,740 light did not have green shade and I 1031 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:55,350 didn't understand that at all but I 1032 00:47:58,700 --> 00:47:57,090 still didn't think we really think UFOs 1033 00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:58,710 or anything like that I kept on our unit 1034 00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:01,020 my sister 1035 00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:05,369 and so we got closer to the object the 1036 00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:08,040 big object and my sister just starts 1037 00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:10,950 screaming at me gonna stop stop and I 1038 00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:12,510 wouldn't have stopped at all because I 1039 00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:15,180 thought you know it couldn't possibly be 1040 00:48:21,859 --> 00:48:19,110 anything weird and so I stopped and at 1041 00:48:23,810 --> 00:48:21,869 that time the sister said that the 1042 00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:23,820 inside of our car felt like was light 1043 00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:26,460 against some kind of strange light and I 1044 00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:28,350 didn't see it because I was on the 1045 00:48:35,810 --> 00:48:31,680 driver's side looking out but I did see 1046 00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:35,820 a what looked like a falling star way 1047 00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:38,700 off in the distance and then this big 1048 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:42,300 thing came over the trees my sister said 1049 00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:44,250 she thought was about 70 feet up and I 1050 00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:46,380 don't know how far it was but we could 1051 00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:49,680 really see a lot of detail and it looked 1052 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:52,920 sort of football-shaped cigar sleep it 1053 00:49:00,200 --> 00:48:57,210 had seven big square windows it had 1054 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:00,210 really really bright and very very white 1055 00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:03,810 light coming out of them and at the time 1056 00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:05,730 I thought are these panels or windows 1057 00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:08,550 and they look like windows to me and we 1058 00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,369 live on a thought our family farm has a 1059 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:13,500 freeway going through it and it's a 1060 00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:15,570 blimp route too and so we're really 1061 00:49:20,570 --> 00:49:18,060 familiar with blimps and it was sigh 1062 00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:20,580 quite insides and everything and this 1063 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:22,710 wasn't anything like that and so I 1064 00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:24,690 decided my assistant is right I'm stuck 1065 00:49:33,590 --> 00:49:28,830 arguing with her I had a camera in my 1066 00:49:34,849 --> 00:49:33,600 car and high-speed 3000 AAS a Polaroid 1067 00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:34,859 film in my trunk 1068 00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:38,790 and so as it it had these seven windows 1069 00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:43,260 and then it had a very small red light 1070 00:49:48,620 --> 00:49:45,270 on one in every small green light on the 1071 00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:48,630 other didn't blink and it was going 1072 00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:51,270 perpendicular your line of sight no 1073 00:49:58,690 --> 00:49:56,220 parallel tortoise or anything and so I 1074 00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:58,700 would I thought it oh this is amazing 1075 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:01,260 I'm going to get the picture of the 1076 00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:04,050 inside of a UFO maybe I know no person 1077 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:05,700 in the world that will do this and I was 1078 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:07,890 just sort of thrilled but kind of 1079 00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:11,130 nervous too and so I was trying to get 1080 00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,950 the camera loaded with the film and it 1081 00:50:17,540 --> 00:50:14,880 takes a while with it 1082 00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,550 because there was an old boy you have to 1083 00:50:22,340 --> 00:50:19,440 clean off its rollers and things like 1084 00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,350 that everything and so I finally got the 1085 00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:25,280 film in and I thought at that time the 1086 00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:27,960 object should been right there with the 1087 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:31,380 windows but what happened was a truck 1088 00:50:39,110 --> 00:50:35,490 driver drove over and Park Breton phones 1089 00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:39,120 and came up and started talking to us 1090 00:50:46,610 --> 00:50:41,220 like we were like if he's everything's 1091 00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:46,620 normal and like we were just like a 1092 00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:49,500 Precog little stop check on somebody 1093 00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:51,260 it's stopped by the road or something 1094 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:54,720 but what happened was he asked us what 1095 00:50:58,540 --> 00:50:56,970 we were doing and there was a near court 1096 00:51:02,090 --> 00:50:58,550 there and I pointed at it and said 1097 00:51:05,530 --> 00:51:02,100 what's that and I didn't say your or 1098 00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:05,540 anything like that what was that message 1099 00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:08,220 we've got a message to from some of our 1100 00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:09,000 advertisers 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Peric ascom curt go 1185 00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:05,599 ahead 1186 00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:08,960 so you left off with the the approach of 1187 00:55:14,650 --> 00:55:11,990 the the truck driver and it sounded like 1188 00:55:18,190 --> 00:55:14,660 he wasn't reacting to the UFO so so what 1189 00:55:20,349 --> 00:55:18,200 happened next the windows they seem to 1190 00:55:23,380 --> 00:55:20,359 be blinking on and off in a pattern and 1191 00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,390 like it there are seven windows and the 1192 00:55:28,570 --> 00:55:25,760 first three would blink on and off then 1193 00:55:30,670 --> 00:55:28,580 all seven would one on and off and then 1194 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:30,680 the four back once and repeat that 1195 00:55:35,290 --> 00:55:33,650 pattern and that was sort of interesting 1196 00:55:37,210 --> 00:55:35,300 too and we were both looking to see if 1197 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:37,220 we could see pilots or anything in sight 1198 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:39,650 we were just like the walls were glowing 1199 00:55:44,859 --> 00:55:43,130 it was just really white and I thought 1200 00:55:46,740 --> 00:55:44,869 it would hurt anybody's eyes if they 1201 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:46,750 were in sight it was so bright and white 1202 00:55:54,130 --> 00:55:51,050 but the truck driver came over like he 1203 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:54,140 was just the normal truck driver going 1204 00:55:58,810 --> 00:55:56,210 to check that one is there something and 1205 00:56:00,579 --> 00:55:58,820 I at first I thought oh this is great 1206 00:56:01,780 --> 00:56:00,589 because I've another witness but he 1207 00:56:02,790 --> 00:56:01,790 didn't say you are both to him or 1208 00:56:06,579 --> 00:56:02,800 anything like that 1209 00:56:08,770 --> 00:56:06,589 but yes what we were looking at and I 1210 00:56:12,130 --> 00:56:08,780 pointed it to it 1211 00:56:14,770 --> 00:56:12,140 and he rotated around just 180 degrees 1212 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:14,780 from where he meets was pointed at about 1213 00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:18,050 the same altitude his head planet is 1214 00:56:23,260 --> 00:56:20,510 headed about that altitude and said he 1215 00:56:25,260 --> 00:56:23,270 didn't see anything and then he rotated 1216 00:56:28,750 --> 00:56:25,270 right back around and looked at me and 1217 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:28,760 at this time I suspected that he's 1218 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:30,650 pretty weird but then he did the same 1219 00:56:36,490 --> 00:56:33,290 thing again he asked me what are you 1220 00:56:39,070 --> 00:56:36,500 looking at and I again pointed and he 1221 00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:39,080 again rotated right around to the exact 1222 00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:42,710 opposite position but point his head 1223 00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:45,110 about the same altitude and said he 1224 00:56:52,860 --> 00:56:49,040 didn't see anything and then he rotated 1225 00:56:56,620 --> 00:56:52,870 right back around looked at me 1226 00:56:58,180 --> 00:56:56,630 needless to say I was nervous and then 1227 00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:58,190 he pointed at his head like the Cuckoo's 1228 00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:01,280 sign and went back in his truck but he 1229 00:57:07,350 --> 00:57:03,880 didn't leave he just stayed there and 1230 00:57:11,650 --> 00:57:07,360 kept watching his stories merely window 1231 00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:11,660 well by that time I couldn't see the 1232 00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:14,390 separate windows of the object I think 1233 00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:18,950 it was so far away it they were all 1234 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:22,400 merged and my sister said that around 1235 00:57:28,660 --> 00:57:24,770 the time I was talking to him and she 1236 00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:28,670 saw the object just it was one place 1237 00:57:32,770 --> 00:57:30,710 that was someplace else and I didn't 1238 00:57:34,180 --> 00:57:32,780 realize that I just thought it would you 1239 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:34,190 know that maybe I talked to him awhile 1240 00:57:39,580 --> 00:57:37,490 and gotten farther away but I was kind 1241 00:57:42,340 --> 00:57:39,590 of I had that coloring it was high-speed 1242 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:42,350 film and I was afraid of getting lens 1243 00:57:46,510 --> 00:57:44,090 flares or something from the freeway 1244 00:57:51,130 --> 00:57:46,520 lights and there was a hill on the other 1245 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:51,140 side with some trees and so I was going 1246 00:57:57,250 --> 00:57:55,490 to wrap the hill and my sister objected 1247 00:57:59,560 --> 00:57:57,260 and said don't do that or she'll come 1248 00:58:03,100 --> 00:57:59,570 with me and I said no because I was I 1249 00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:03,110 wanted to protect the car from the truck 1250 00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,670 driver in case he tried to get in our 1251 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:07,280 car we argued for a while and finally I 1252 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:10,610 ran up the hill and I took pictures of 1253 00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:13,490 the object and I was very very careful I 1254 00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:16,880 looked at what I was seeing and aimed 1255 00:58:22,830 --> 00:58:19,280 the camera and just what I was looking 1256 00:58:26,050 --> 00:58:22,840 and trying to get blinks and I got 1257 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:26,060 one picture I had to give us dark and I 1258 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:29,570 had it was handheld and everything and I 1259 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:32,930 came I didn't know what I had until I 1260 00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:35,450 got back down to the car and look and 1261 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:39,350 you had the board's takes a while and I 1262 00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:43,250 had the polar separate prints out and 1263 00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:45,380 then he had ripped off the backing and 1264 00:58:52,090 --> 00:58:48,710 he had Nikodim with a preservative and 1265 00:58:55,540 --> 00:58:52,100 so I got back looked at him as best as I 1266 00:59:01,450 --> 00:58:55,550 couldn't looking kind of dim car light 1267 00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:01,460 and co2 them and later I had I analyzed 1268 00:59:08,020 --> 00:59:05,300 the I was working as a photo analysis as 1269 00:59:10,330 --> 00:59:08,030 a photo interpreter later I analyzed 1270 00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:10,340 what I had in the photograph which 1271 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:13,750 turned out really weird too but anyway 1272 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:17,450 then the object went it was going 1273 00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:19,130 towards been going toward the airport 1274 00:59:26,890 --> 00:59:23,630 and it got over the airport and it began 1275 00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:26,900 to circle the airport and it was a very 1276 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:32,720 odd circle because it would it would 1277 00:59:38,620 --> 00:59:35,570 start ink to the south and go north 1278 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:38,630 it would blink like like the south at 1279 00:59:45,850 --> 00:59:43,010 180 it might blink from 160 to 140 or 1280 00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:45,860 something then from 60 to 30 it would 1281 00:59:51,340 --> 00:59:48,710 turn slights on turn him off 1282 00:59:54,610 --> 00:59:51,350 turn back on and then when it was 1283 00:59:56,590 --> 00:59:54,620 exactly north it would make a semicircle 1284 00:59:57,340 --> 00:59:56,600 of South it was so fast you couldn't 1285 00:59:59,680 --> 00:59:57,350 even see it 1286 01:00:03,370 --> 00:59:59,690 I mean I just remembered there was a it 1287 01:00:06,460 --> 01:00:03,380 went and it kept circling like that it 1288 01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:06,470 and you know we were both looking at it 1289 01:00:12,580 --> 01:00:09,950 we were looking at planes and what was 1290 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:12,590 over the airport the planes seemed to be 1291 01:00:17,890 --> 01:00:15,410 flying along way up they weren't landing 1292 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:17,900 or anything and obviously if I'd been 1293 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:19,850 UFO investigator I would have 1294 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:22,490 investigated that but I wasn't very 1295 01:00:26,980 --> 01:00:25,250 aware UFOs I didn't tie-in lights in the 1296 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:26,990 car anything else I just didn't know 1297 01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:30,890 what was going on and so anyway we 1298 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:34,160 didn't know what was going on and we 1299 01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:36,450 didn't know where the UFO where the op 1300 01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:38,940 you know but for some reason I thought 1301 01:00:44,060 --> 01:00:41,220 that it's it was gonna turn around go 1302 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:44,070 the opposite direction and so I wanted 1303 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:47,010 to turn my car around where right 1304 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:48,810 he'd play an intersection on the freeway 1305 01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:53,130 and so I drove out and as I go under the 1306 01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:53,700 freeway 1307 01:00:58,819 --> 01:00:56,099 the truck driver followed me and he 1308 01:01:01,490 --> 01:00:58,829 began to chase and I knew he was chasing 1309 01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,500 me because if I switch lanes or slowed 1310 01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:03,359 down or speed it up he did the same 1311 01:01:09,020 --> 01:01:06,180 thing his headlights were kind of high 1312 01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:09,030 compared to a cars he was beaming I'm 1313 01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:11,460 right in my rearview mirror and I was 1314 01:01:17,420 --> 01:01:14,609 blinded and I slowed down speeded up and 1315 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:17,430 changed lanes and realize he was chasing 1316 01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:19,890 me so this sounds like x-files or 1317 01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:23,849 something well it was era it's got to be 1318 01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:26,609 scary I'll tell you yeah where did this 1319 01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,660 end up this chase where did it end up 1320 01:01:36,620 --> 01:01:32,880 was I find him was on the left hand side 1321 01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,630 and I decided to very quickly get off at 1322 01:01:40,010 --> 01:01:38,640 an intersection even though if 1323 01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:40,020 somebody's coming from the right hand 1324 01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:43,200 side faster they had an accident my 1325 01:01:46,670 --> 01:01:44,670 sister couldn't see behind me and 1326 01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:46,680 neither could I and so I swerved off the 1327 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:48,900 road and we both survived 1328 01:01:54,530 --> 01:01:52,170 and I went back and the object was still 1329 01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,540 circling but after a while it took off 1330 01:01:59,420 --> 01:01:56,160 in the opposite direction so we 1331 01:02:02,000 --> 01:01:59,430 continued following it back to the outer 1332 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:02,010 Bell around Boston and started fun there 1333 01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:04,290 was going Northwest and the the road 1334 01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:06,420 seemed to be either north or west and so 1335 01:02:10,790 --> 01:02:08,670 I could bring on different roads to try 1336 01:02:13,339 --> 01:02:10,800 to follow he finally was on this really 1337 01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:13,349 deserted road it was just like a kart 1338 01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:17,280 track whose gravel had bumped had holes 1339 01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:19,710 all over in it and the houses were so 1340 01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,020 far apart you couldn't even see him and 1341 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:23,760 it was probably only going about 40 1342 01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:25,770 miles an hour but I couldn't keep up 1343 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:27,960 with it and I was tearing the car up so 1344 01:02:38,540 --> 01:02:31,890 I went back home and so anyway we went 1345 01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,550 back to New Jersey then and I didn't 1346 01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:40,319 know anything about missing time 1347 01:02:47,660 --> 01:02:44,640 anything but later but Hopkins and asked 1348 01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:47,670 me to make a timeline things and there 1349 01:02:52,780 --> 01:02:49,760 was a possibility that we had had miss 1350 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:52,790 and time although we didn't we weren't 1351 01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:54,770 conscious of it and then some other 1352 01:03:00,900 --> 01:02:58,570 things some other weird things happen so 1353 01:03:06,010 --> 01:03:00,910 you should I describe the photograph 1354 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:06,020 without doubt go ahead please okay the 1355 01:03:11,290 --> 01:03:09,050 photograph didn't turn out like I 1356 01:03:16,330 --> 01:03:11,300 thought it would because I was watching 1357 01:03:18,790 --> 01:03:16,340 a one light go and blink on and off and 1358 01:03:21,849 --> 01:03:18,800 I got two blinks and it should have just 1359 01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:21,859 been a smooth streak across the film but 1360 01:03:26,170 --> 01:03:24,710 it was late you know what let's do our 1361 01:03:27,970 --> 01:03:26,180 break here and let's continue with this 1362 01:03:29,890 --> 01:03:27,980 let's talk about that photograph and 1363 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01:08:20,860 --> 01:08:18,710 describing that photo ok but it actually 1475 01:08:22,749 --> 01:08:20,870 wasn't because it was just a handheld 1476 01:08:27,190 --> 01:08:22,759 picture but what was really interesting 1477 01:08:31,539 --> 01:08:27,200 was is that I saw one light and the 1478 01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:31,549 photograph showed two traces instead of 1479 01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:33,410 one you could tell that because the 1480 01:08:38,349 --> 01:08:36,290 undulation and one of them looked like 1481 01:08:40,979 --> 01:08:38,359 the light I was saying because it 1482 01:08:44,340 --> 01:08:40,989 roughly turned on and off and everything 1483 01:08:46,990 --> 01:08:44,350 the other like was invisible the eye 1484 01:08:49,390 --> 01:08:47,000 which was pretty weird because I didn't 1485 01:08:51,999 --> 01:08:49,400 been able to see it and it came on 1486 01:08:53,890 --> 01:08:52,009 gradually and came off gradually and it 1487 01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:53,900 through the undulation you could see it 1488 01:08:59,769 --> 01:08:56,799 was the same as the one the same as the 1489 01:09:04,300 --> 01:08:59,779 one you could see but it didn't have the 1490 01:09:07,329 --> 01:09:04,310 same pattern and so anyway I can 1491 01:09:11,019 --> 01:09:07,339 included that this is a was invisible 1492 01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:11,029 and I called the coloring company to 1493 01:09:17,109 --> 01:09:13,489 find out about it and they said 1494 01:09:19,809 --> 01:09:17,119 you can see that the Polaroid camera 1495 01:09:23,379 --> 01:09:19,819 will photograph like from like 400 1496 01:09:27,579 --> 01:09:23,389 nanometers to whatever but the lowest 1497 01:09:29,799 --> 01:09:27,589 the I can go it's like 230 nanometers or 1498 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:29,809 something I forget exactly what but 1499 01:09:35,049 --> 01:09:32,690 anyway this we had seen a light that 1500 01:09:36,879 --> 01:09:35,059 wasn't I mean the photon the camera is 1501 01:09:38,890 --> 01:09:36,889 photographed a light that wasn't there I 1502 01:09:44,189 --> 01:09:38,900 mean that you know you can see visually 1503 01:09:46,559 --> 01:09:44,199 and so the light that was invisible 1504 01:09:50,019 --> 01:09:46,569 appeared to them come on 1505 01:09:52,689 --> 01:09:50,029 gradually which the brighter point then 1506 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:52,699 went off gradually and it didn't come on 1507 01:09:57,250 --> 01:09:54,170 and off at the same time and the other 1508 01:09:59,589 --> 01:09:57,260 one then when it was blinking and so I 1509 01:10:01,509 --> 01:09:59,599 thought it was maybe a light on a 1510 01:10:03,609 --> 01:10:01,519 rheostat but it could have been a 1511 01:10:07,239 --> 01:10:03,619 something like a laser - changing 1512 01:10:11,379 --> 01:10:07,249 frequencies and so I hypothesized that 1513 01:10:13,989 --> 01:10:11,389 maybe this is a laser and but maybe UFOs 1514 01:10:17,470 --> 01:10:13,999 have lighting that is different from 1515 01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:17,480 that is invisible to people and that 1516 01:10:24,069 --> 01:10:20,329 would explain a lot about UFOs because 1517 01:10:25,629 --> 01:10:24,079 they can create Holograms or volumetric 1518 01:10:28,779 --> 01:10:25,639 displays or all kinds of things with 1519 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:28,789 lasers and make you see things and I 1520 01:10:33,729 --> 01:10:30,530 speculated on that because I've written 1521 01:10:36,370 --> 01:10:33,739 scientific papers speculation but I 1522 01:10:39,310 --> 01:10:36,380 don't know and then later when I got 1523 01:10:42,879 --> 01:10:39,320 back to Washington DC I had other guys 1524 01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:42,889 experiments and that was very weird - 1525 01:10:50,620 --> 01:10:48,110 and so anyway I reported him oh and I 1526 01:10:53,470 --> 01:10:50,630 hadn't I'd the security clearances and I 1527 01:10:55,239 --> 01:10:53,480 was working on a PhD level job so there 1528 01:10:58,209 --> 01:10:55,249 wasn't anything wrong with my brain and 1529 01:11:02,279 --> 01:10:58,219 my sister saw the same thing and so we 1530 01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:02,289 just reported it that's what happened 1531 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:06,230 well that's interesting when in your 1532 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:07,610 career that happened because a lot of 1533 01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:09,650 times if he would tell us stories like 1534 01:11:12,759 --> 01:11:11,150 this and it would be like something like 1535 01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:12,769 when there are 18 years old before they 1536 01:11:17,290 --> 01:11:15,679 had education but you know you're you 1537 01:11:19,839 --> 01:11:17,300 were you were much further along in your 1538 01:11:21,370 --> 01:11:19,849 career in education than that and you 1539 01:11:23,020 --> 01:11:21,380 said at that time you didn't know 1540 01:11:25,150 --> 01:11:23,030 anything about UFOs 1541 01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:25,160 I'm guessing this was a turning point 1542 01:11:32,860 --> 01:11:30,560 that fired your interest and so so how 1543 01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:32,870 did you proceed from there and did you 1544 01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:36,350 contact UFO investigators what did you 1545 01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:40,030 do I didn't do anything because I was 1546 01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:43,100 very high security clearance and 1547 01:11:49,540 --> 01:11:46,400 although if I say I saw your foe I could 1548 01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:49,550 lose my job for being crazy but I wrote 1549 01:11:54,370 --> 01:11:52,250 everything down I didn't know you know 1550 01:11:56,230 --> 01:11:54,380 lights in the car anything else had 1551 01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,240 anything to do your homes at that time 1552 01:12:02,340 --> 01:11:58,880 but I wrote like second-by-second 1553 01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:02,350 because I intended to report my son and 1554 01:12:07,870 --> 01:12:05,510 it was many years later we didn't see 1555 01:12:09,340 --> 01:12:07,880 each other for five more years and then 1556 01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:09,350 we didn't discuss it much because I 1557 01:12:15,130 --> 01:12:12,080 thought well report this sometime and we 1558 01:12:18,130 --> 01:12:15,140 should have independent reports so we 1559 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:18,140 didn't say too much it was 1984 before 1560 01:12:22,990 --> 01:12:21,050 we reported it and so it was 1561 01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:23,000 investigated by a number of people like 1562 01:12:30,670 --> 01:12:26,960 Budd Hopkins and Hynek and Leonard 1563 01:12:33,370 --> 01:12:30,680 Stringfield and it's been looked at now 1564 01:12:36,220 --> 01:12:33,380 recently by Kathleen Martin a bunch of 1565 01:12:39,070 --> 01:12:36,230 people who don't have any idea of what 1566 01:12:41,980 --> 01:12:39,080 we were seeing what was happening with 1567 01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:41,990 the investigations were you able to find 1568 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:44,480 out any of the reports at the same time 1569 01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:48,050 a place it may have shown other people 1570 01:12:55,480 --> 01:12:51,440 had experiences look what I found when I 1571 01:12:58,180 --> 01:12:55,490 finally started investigating that was I 1572 01:13:02,190 --> 01:12:58,190 found that there was a book written by 1573 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:02,200 Laura Webb called the buckle edge 1574 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:07,010 reported something and it turned out 1575 01:13:15,310 --> 01:13:10,970 that they had that these witnesses for 1576 01:13:17,170 --> 01:13:15,320 that it he wrote the book later than I 1577 01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:17,180 wrote this and the sighting was later 1578 01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:19,910 and I didn't find out about the book for 1579 01:13:30,220 --> 01:13:24,170 a long time later after that but their 1580 01:13:33,460 --> 01:13:30,230 sighting was about three weeks after 1581 01:13:36,910 --> 01:13:33,470 ours it was about 160 miles away it was 1582 01:13:40,780 --> 01:13:36,920 not too far away and he had made 1583 01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,790 big effort to find other sightings and 1584 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:42,320 of course I hadn't reported my sighting 1585 01:13:47,290 --> 01:13:44,570 anyplace so he went they won't find it 1586 01:13:52,150 --> 01:13:47,300 but there was a number of similarities 1587 01:13:57,550 --> 01:13:52,160 between what they reported and what we 1588 01:14:00,010 --> 01:13:57,560 saw and it sort of made me understand my 1589 01:14:03,150 --> 01:14:00,020 sighting a little more because for one 1590 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:03,160 thing they described this cigar shape 1591 01:14:09,420 --> 01:14:06,530 object that emitted these little balls 1592 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:09,430 and they were rotating balls of white 1593 01:14:15,490 --> 01:14:12,650 that changed colors and that's what I'd 1594 01:14:18,490 --> 01:14:15,500 seen and I you know I had no idea what 1595 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:18,500 it was or what theirs was but there was 1596 01:14:24,910 --> 01:14:20,330 something similar so somebody seen 1597 01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:24,920 something like it and he said that the 1598 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:26,330 people were abducted and went to the 1599 01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:30,050 strange abduction and their abductions 1600 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:32,510 started with one of these balls of light 1601 01:14:39,370 --> 01:14:35,450 shining a light on the people before 1602 01:14:41,740 --> 01:14:39,380 they were abducted well we had lights I 1603 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:41,750 had that green light when I went by the 1604 01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:46,730 little ball good lit up the car and then 1605 01:14:54,250 --> 01:14:51,020 my sister said that the object is shined 1606 01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:54,260 the light on us from that and anyway I 1607 01:14:59,170 --> 01:14:56,930 wrote another article about that because 1608 01:15:06,160 --> 01:14:59,180 there were several other sightings that 1609 01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:06,170 had some resemblance to what we saw that 1610 01:15:13,380 --> 01:15:09,890 were you know in that same area the the 1611 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:13,390 flood legend was in lodging was in 1612 01:15:20,530 --> 01:15:16,930 pretty close to us but there was an 1613 01:15:23,650 --> 01:15:20,540 close in time and space both there was a 1614 01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:23,660 town of Charon that we were written site 1615 01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:27,280 on the freeway and they had reported a 1616 01:15:33,370 --> 01:15:30,710 object that was several years before 1617 01:15:36,610 --> 01:15:33,380 ours but they drawn it with Windows and 1618 01:15:38,740 --> 01:15:36,620 everything just like we saw and with a 1619 01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:38,750 light on one hand and a light on the 1620 01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:42,800 other end on both ends and also reported 1621 01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:47,510 these bowls that were rotating look like 1622 01:15:50,559 --> 01:15:49,490 they were made of glass and shining 1623 01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:50,569 different lights 1624 01:15:57,099 --> 01:15:53,510 so that was three instances where he 1625 01:15:58,329 --> 01:15:57,109 found something similar and I went 1626 01:16:01,239 --> 01:15:58,339 through and there were a lot of other 1627 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:01,249 similarities to and another one with 1628 01:16:07,599 --> 01:16:04,010 similarities was the Betty and Barney 1629 01:16:14,529 --> 01:16:07,609 Hill case and that was they saw an 1630 01:16:18,369 --> 01:16:14,539 object with Windows and Kathleen Martin 1631 01:16:21,849 --> 01:16:18,379 and just very recently published there 1632 01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:21,859 are drawings yeah what let's pick up on 1633 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:23,689 this in our next segment with dr. 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01:20:42,539 eight hundred six seven six nine eight 1741 01:20:46,370 --> 01:20:44,729 seventy nine 30-day moneyback guarantee 1742 01:20:57,850 --> 01:20:46,380 at participating locations limitations 1743 01:21:02,530 --> 01:21:00,700 this is Robert Hastings author of UFOs 1744 01:21:05,170 --> 01:21:02,540 and nukes and you're listening to the 1745 01:21:14,110 --> 01:21:05,180 podcast the gold standard of paranormal 1746 01:21:16,780 --> 01:21:14,120 radio so here as you describe the 1747 01:21:19,330 --> 01:21:16,790 connection with Kathleen and these 1748 01:21:22,570 --> 01:21:19,340 experiences do you think that you were 1749 01:21:25,410 --> 01:21:22,580 abducted I don't know because like but 1750 01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:25,420 Hopkins tried to hypnotize means I tried 1751 01:21:31,210 --> 01:21:28,190 several other people and I don't even 1752 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:31,220 very very slightly going to a trance my 1753 01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:32,810 sister and I don't remember any 1754 01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:35,510 abductions or any other people who can 1755 01:21:42,220 --> 01:21:38,320 be abducted not know we might have had 1756 01:21:45,370 --> 01:21:42,230 missing time but I don't know how you 1757 01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:45,380 approach it because there's no memory of 1758 01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:47,630 an abduction or anything that I know of 1759 01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:49,970 you see I have a kind of crazy theory 1760 01:21:53,710 --> 01:21:51,890 which I've mentioned I want to just sell 1761 01:21:56,380 --> 01:21:53,720 my own theories because they've heard 1762 01:22:01,000 --> 01:21:56,390 them the audience and that is here is 1763 01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:01,010 that if et is abducting us and they 1764 01:22:06,820 --> 01:22:03,650 didn't want us to remember it we would 1765 01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:06,830 not remember it and certainly hypnotic 1766 01:22:11,860 --> 01:22:09,410 regression wouldn't recall it it would 1767 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:11,870 simply be hidden but if we remember 1768 01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:14,090 something there's a reason or maybe 1769 01:22:19,420 --> 01:22:17,090 that's the screen memory not the owl or 1770 01:22:22,210 --> 01:22:19,430 something or the eyes but the experience 1771 01:22:23,530 --> 01:22:22,220 is shielding us from something else that 1772 01:22:26,980 --> 01:22:23,540 happened just a thought 1773 01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:26,990 what's speculated on that because with 1774 01:22:35,470 --> 01:22:32,030 this Boston sighting well two days later 1775 01:22:38,350 --> 01:22:35,480 before I got up and went to my job which 1776 01:22:41,170 --> 01:22:38,360 I was pretty nervous about that yeah I 1777 01:22:44,260 --> 01:22:41,180 did this poltergeist experience to like 1778 01:22:46,030 --> 01:22:44,270 something in my room and with me going 1779 01:22:49,450 --> 01:22:46,040 to sleep I was terrified different 1780 01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:49,460 things and I speculate in the book that 1781 01:22:55,780 --> 01:22:52,850 maybe these are components of one thing 1782 01:22:59,080 --> 01:22:55,790 the UFO and the poltergeist and maybe 1783 01:23:01,540 --> 01:22:59,090 they're connected someway but I don't 1784 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:01,550 know how or why or anything like that 1785 01:23:06,100 --> 01:23:03,530 but I just thought that when they're 1786 01:23:09,970 --> 01:23:06,110 that close in time and they're both 1787 01:23:11,530 --> 01:23:09,980 weird that maybe something more 1788 01:23:14,590 --> 01:23:11,540 complicated than either one 1789 01:23:17,020 --> 01:23:14,600 going on and they were just components 1790 01:23:19,090 --> 01:23:17,030 are ways to experience whatever was 1791 01:23:22,060 --> 01:23:19,100 happening so I speculate you don't the 1792 01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,070 same thing you said that's interesting 1793 01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:24,080 because sometimes people have 1794 01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:27,380 experiences a series of experiences or 1795 01:23:31,390 --> 01:23:28,910 there's a part of an experience that 1796 01:23:33,370 --> 01:23:31,400 they feel is too weird to share and and 1797 01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:33,380 sometimes it is shared and the 1798 01:23:38,380 --> 01:23:35,270 investigator thinks it's too weird to 1799 01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:38,390 publish and it gets left out so you know 1800 01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,400 it's good that you documented everything 1801 01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:42,560 and not that doesn't mean we can 1802 01:23:46,750 --> 01:23:44,270 necessarily ever make sense of it but 1803 01:23:49,450 --> 01:23:46,760 you know it's good to have that recorded 1804 01:23:51,670 --> 01:23:49,460 and as far as this poltergeist so it was 1805 01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:51,680 just there's just a typical thing of a 1806 01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:54,410 like an invisible intruder moving moving 1807 01:23:59,440 --> 01:23:57,170 things around well that day I was 1808 01:24:02,290 --> 01:23:59,450 supposed to take the coworkers had gone 1809 01:24:04,690 --> 01:24:02,300 up to New York with me I was taken back 1810 01:24:06,970 --> 01:24:04,700 and I waited for a long time and they 1811 01:24:08,740 --> 01:24:06,980 didn't show next day they're really mad 1812 01:24:10,990 --> 01:24:08,750 at me and said they could hold them well 1813 01:24:13,570 --> 01:24:11,000 II didn't talk to my sister and I'd 1814 01:24:15,850 --> 01:24:13,580 taken pictures I'm been by the door I 1815 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:15,860 have no idea why anything is cooling at 1816 01:24:21,610 --> 01:24:18,490 that night before I went to sleep I 1817 01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:21,620 started hearing like noises like 1818 01:24:27,550 --> 01:24:24,410 somebody's walking in my room and I 1819 01:24:30,580 --> 01:24:27,560 would try to if they were close I'd try 1820 01:24:33,550 --> 01:24:30,590 to grab it or go to the same place and 1821 01:24:35,050 --> 01:24:33,560 it would just disappear then my LAN went 1822 01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:35,060 off and I thought it was morning I 1823 01:24:39,850 --> 01:24:37,250 thought I wouldn't you know get ready 1824 01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:39,860 for work and I started I realized it was 1825 01:24:47,410 --> 01:24:43,730 dark and it was like 1:30 and I was 1826 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:47,420 terrified but I went to sleep and then 1827 01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:52,010 if the alarm went off at 2:30 3:30 and 1828 01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:55,100 each time I went back to sleep and I 1829 01:24:59,200 --> 01:24:57,050 can't imagine that I was turning away 1830 01:25:03,340 --> 01:24:59,210 alarm on because I'd have to turn a 100 1831 01:25:06,850 --> 01:25:03,350 watt light on and then the NAM on the 1832 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:06,860 alarm was broken off and I easily use 1833 01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,770 pliers to turn it and I kept turning it 1834 01:25:15,220 --> 01:25:12,080 back very approximately to the right 1835 01:25:18,670 --> 01:25:15,230 time but it was set right on 1:30 2:30 1836 01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:18,680 and 3:30 and so that was something 1837 01:25:23,290 --> 01:25:21,170 pretty weird and then I was scared to 1838 01:25:25,060 --> 01:25:23,300 death that I just gone insane because I 1839 01:25:29,459 --> 01:25:25,070 didn't know much about 1840 01:25:32,260 --> 01:25:29,469 geison UFOs or anything else and I had 1841 01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:32,270 three guys don't get if I was insane 1842 01:25:36,819 --> 01:25:35,210 it's gonna get a working get fired if I 1843 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:36,829 was trying to figure out how to disguise 1844 01:25:40,899 --> 01:25:39,770 insanity it working he's like that you 1845 01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:40,909 know what occurs to me when you talk 1846 01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:42,770 about that concern certainly concerns 1847 01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:44,329 about work if you're having weird things 1848 01:25:49,330 --> 01:25:46,310 happen to you have you had a chance to 1849 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:49,340 hear any stories from any of your 1850 01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:51,290 co-workers over the years who had 1851 01:25:55,870 --> 01:25:52,880 similar experiences 1852 01:26:00,479 --> 01:25:55,880 I of course didn't go in and mention 1853 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:00,489 that I'd seen UFO but I did mention that 1854 01:26:06,700 --> 01:26:03,650 I just brought up the subject of UFOs 1855 01:26:10,419 --> 01:26:06,710 for some reason and our work was we were 1856 01:26:12,609 --> 01:26:10,429 looking over area of the earth we were 1857 01:26:14,890 --> 01:26:12,619 looking down from satellites and you're 1858 01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:14,900 supposed to identify any flying object 1859 01:26:20,500 --> 01:26:17,210 in the area so this could have been 1860 01:26:23,109 --> 01:26:20,510 something that related to UFOs and the 1861 01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:23,119 people I worked with expecting to laugh 1862 01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:25,760 at me if I could but they said that 1863 01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:30,170 looks for I had gone into the section 1864 01:26:36,609 --> 01:26:32,449 which wasn't very long before the 1865 01:26:39,069 --> 01:26:36,619 sighting that they had reported a UFO to 1866 01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:39,079 their high runs when the photography and 1867 01:26:46,180 --> 01:26:42,530 that they got this really weird reaction 1868 01:26:48,220 --> 01:26:46,190 from the higher-ups and saying they 1869 01:26:50,530 --> 01:26:48,230 didn't see it and it was obvious very 1870 01:26:52,359 --> 01:26:50,540 obvious it was on the photographer 1871 01:26:54,879 --> 01:26:52,369 because it's on two different missions 1872 01:26:56,620 --> 01:26:54,889 and there's no way they said the 1873 01:26:57,729 --> 01:26:56,630 higher-ups said it was a spot on the 1874 01:27:00,280 --> 01:26:57,739 film there's no way it could have been a 1875 01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:00,290 spot on the film so they had you know 1876 01:27:06,819 --> 01:27:04,250 certain experience to not like this but 1877 01:27:09,580 --> 01:27:06,829 trying to report a UFO when we were 1878 01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:09,590 supposedly working on identifying all 1879 01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:13,369 the airplane aircraft in particular area 1880 01:27:19,330 --> 01:27:15,290 so that was weird 1881 01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:19,340 I further investigated the green light 1882 01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:22,369 in the car because as I was driving 1883 01:27:26,830 --> 01:27:24,710 toward and seeing a small thing on the 1884 01:27:29,229 --> 01:27:26,840 ground the inside of the car lit up in 1885 01:27:31,959 --> 01:27:29,239 green and I couldn't understand that 1886 01:27:34,330 --> 01:27:31,969 because I didn't see a being shining 1887 01:27:36,490 --> 01:27:34,340 into the car there are other cars I 1888 01:27:38,679 --> 01:27:36,500 didn't it seems like I would notice that 1889 01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,689 the inside the other cars turn during 1890 01:27:43,299 --> 01:27:40,400 and so I thought there were somethings 1891 01:27:45,879 --> 01:27:43,309 made me specific about the inside of our 1892 01:27:49,449 --> 01:27:45,889 car turning green but I couldn't figure 1893 01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:49,459 out any reason why it turned green 1894 01:27:54,399 --> 01:27:51,110 because I couldn't see any green lights 1895 01:27:57,159 --> 01:27:54,409 and I asked a physics professor about 1896 01:27:59,560 --> 01:27:57,169 that and he gave me a very generalized 1897 01:28:01,299 --> 01:27:59,570 answer about that the metal of the car 1898 01:28:04,179 --> 01:28:01,309 might be affected by a lift 1899 01:28:08,529 --> 01:28:04,189 electrical discharge he mentioned st. 1900 01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:08,539 Elmo's fire and we elected an electric 1901 01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:12,169 discharge might excite oxygen atoms that 1902 01:28:19,029 --> 01:28:15,199 gives rise to a green light when they is 1903 01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:19,039 electrons change orbit and so I did some 1904 01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:24,159 research on that and the green color 1905 01:28:30,879 --> 01:28:28,489 would be due to ionized oxygen it's been 1906 01:28:36,359 --> 01:28:30,889 reported in northern lights and things 1907 01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:36,369 like that and it's from a 550 7.7 1908 01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:42,400 animation and now meter emission from 1909 01:28:50,649 --> 01:28:48,050 neutral oxygen and so I looked at what 1910 01:28:54,219 --> 01:28:50,659 that emission looked like and it looked 1911 01:28:57,339 --> 01:28:54,229 like the same color I saw and so there 1912 01:29:00,129 --> 01:28:57,349 might have been some kind of a laser or 1913 01:29:02,259 --> 01:29:00,139 something turn on the car that I 1914 01:29:07,330 --> 01:29:02,269 couldn't see it might have been 1915 01:29:10,290 --> 01:29:07,340 electrical some way and cause the inside 1916 01:29:15,279 --> 01:29:10,300 the car to light up in green but I 1917 01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:15,289 couldn't figure out too much else but 1918 01:29:20,679 --> 01:29:19,130 that just like from the photograph it 1919 01:29:25,390 --> 01:29:20,689 looked like there was another light on 1920 01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:25,400 the object and when we went I went by 1921 01:29:35,049 --> 01:29:30,050 the object on the ground twice and both 1922 01:29:37,330 --> 01:29:35,059 times the inside the car lit up in green 1923 01:29:38,739 --> 01:29:37,340 then the very last time when I was 1924 01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:38,749 coming back from Boston 1925 01:29:43,390 --> 01:29:41,209 there was no object on the ground we 1926 01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:43,400 couldn't see the object in the sky and 1927 01:29:52,210 --> 01:29:47,209 the light inside the car didn't turn in 1928 01:29:56,650 --> 01:29:52,220 green so I thought maybe this had some 1929 01:29:58,450 --> 01:29:56,660 laser - or you know yeah we were 1930 01:30:03,880 --> 01:29:58,460 experience some kind of a force instead 1931 01:30:10,330 --> 01:30:03,890 of a light shining in the car and I had 1932 01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:10,340 done some research on that to look at 1933 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:12,250 see if there was anything in common and 1934 01:30:20,410 --> 01:30:16,810 there's been a number of sightings were 1935 01:30:23,650 --> 01:30:20,420 the did associate UFOs with a green 1936 01:30:25,150 --> 01:30:23,660 light let's do the green light thing and 1937 01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:25,160 give a green light in our next segment 1938 01:30:34,390 --> 01:30:27,890 that's a bad segue where to come with 1939 01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,980 [Music] 1940 01:30:48,260 --> 01:30:41,959 you are listening to GCN 1941 01:30:50,780 --> 01:30:48,270 visit GCN live.com today do you need a 1942 01:30:53,470 --> 01:30:50,790 website well you can get a great deal on 1943 01:30:56,180 --> 01:30:53,480 hosting services with namecheap s-- 1944 01:30:58,340 --> 01:30:56,190 legendary coupon code they're offering 1945 01:31:00,700 --> 01:30:58,350 substantial hosting discounts on shared 1946 01:31:03,560 --> 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ultimate knife 2043 01:34:57,660 --> 01:34:53,719 [Music] 2044 01:35:01,080 --> 01:34:57,670 this is ugly you're listening to the 2045 01:35:09,299 --> 01:35:01,090 podcast the gold standard of paranormal 2046 01:35:10,890 --> 01:35:09,309 radio Irena Scott is very gracious you 2047 01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:10,900 know why she didn't say anything about 2048 01:35:21,779 --> 01:35:19,570 my green light pun it did okay we allow 2049 01:35:26,879 --> 01:35:21,789 that don't encourage him no no don't 2050 01:35:29,609 --> 01:35:26,889 encourage you see I even handed I am he 2051 01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:29,619 can talk about me and I still allow on 2052 01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:32,650 the show because he's nice I bring it 2053 01:35:35,279 --> 01:35:33,280 out of him 2054 01:35:38,549 --> 01:35:35,289 Irena you were talking about the green 2055 01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:38,559 thing let's go on okay I was looking for 2056 01:35:44,939 --> 01:35:41,440 other instances of green lights because 2057 01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:44,949 I was mystified by this green light and 2058 01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:50,880 in one case had been the coin helicopter 2059 01:35:58,560 --> 01:35:56,050 sighting in 1973 over Ohio do you 2060 01:36:00,899 --> 01:35:58,570 remember anything about that that's a 2061 01:36:04,319 --> 01:36:00,909 famous one a lot of people will need a 2062 01:36:05,819 --> 01:36:04,329 brief recap - this is a real exciting it 2063 01:36:09,229 --> 01:36:05,829 was investigated by a lot of people 2064 01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:09,239 these helicopter pilots were flying 2065 01:36:14,370 --> 01:36:11,199 north I think they were going to 2066 01:36:16,410 --> 01:36:14,380 Cleveland and they saw an object as they 2067 01:36:19,109 --> 01:36:16,420 were flying north and they didn't think 2068 01:36:21,569 --> 01:36:19,119 too much about it but then the object 2069 01:36:24,810 --> 01:36:21,579 came real close to him and like it was 2070 01:36:28,529 --> 01:36:24,820 right over top of him their cockpit 2071 01:36:32,189 --> 01:36:28,539 turned green on the inside they had this 2072 01:36:33,589 --> 01:36:32,199 event where they were almost they the 2073 01:36:36,859 --> 01:36:33,599 thing had come toward him and they 2074 01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:36,869 Christ died to not get into a collision 2075 01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:40,650 but then they discovered later that the 2076 01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:44,320 helicopter and somehow rose in altitude 2077 01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:46,960 a whole lot well the thing was above 2078 01:36:54,029 --> 01:36:50,800 them it's what they recorded was a shiny 2079 01:36:58,049 --> 01:36:54,039 green light into their cockpit and they 2080 01:37:03,020 --> 01:36:58,059 had a lot of things that kind of unusual 2081 01:37:04,440 --> 01:37:03,030 such as having a compass spin and the 2082 01:37:08,450 --> 01:37:04,450 helicopter 2083 01:37:14,570 --> 01:37:08,460 when uh if they didn't realize it and 2084 01:37:18,450 --> 01:37:14,580 they had some electrical effects - and 2085 01:37:21,210 --> 01:37:18,460 while the green light was shining on and 2086 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:21,220 also there were people on the ground 2087 01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:24,370 that watched this and they said the 2088 01:37:30,500 --> 01:37:27,370 whole area around the in the ground lit 2089 01:37:33,150 --> 01:37:30,510 up in green when the object shone the 2090 01:37:36,900 --> 01:37:33,160 green light down so it must have been a 2091 01:37:38,820 --> 01:37:36,910 very powerful light that it not only 2092 01:37:42,510 --> 01:37:38,830 been at the inside of the helicopter but 2093 01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:42,520 it also lit up the ground and fairly 2094 01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:46,090 brightly and then it went on and they 2095 01:37:51,780 --> 01:37:48,010 felt a bump went left and everything and 2096 01:37:54,540 --> 01:37:51,790 that's a very well-known UFO sighting 2097 01:37:57,900 --> 01:37:54,550 because it was military or people in 2098 01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:57,910 helicopter and they were they had been 2099 01:38:02,280 --> 01:37:59,520 in radio contact 2100 01:38:05,670 --> 01:38:02,290 but Wantley object was there they 2101 01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:05,680 couldn't use their radio and so I was 2102 01:38:16,170 --> 01:38:12,210 interested in the green light I asked a 2103 01:38:19,980 --> 01:38:16,180 electrician about the compass and he 2104 01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:19,990 said that back in those days he had a 2105 01:38:24,450 --> 01:38:22,690 brother fill an airplane and he said you 2106 01:38:26,430 --> 01:38:24,460 could get the compass in Spain if you 2107 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:26,440 just went over high tension wires or 2108 01:38:30,570 --> 01:38:28,090 anything else so I didn't know if that 2109 01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:30,580 was anything too unusual or had anything 2110 01:38:40,610 --> 01:38:35,170 to do with the green light but another 2111 01:38:46,860 --> 01:38:40,620 interesting thing was is that the CIA 2112 01:38:49,980 --> 01:38:46,870 surgeon general's office contacted mr. 2113 01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:49,990 Coyne the pilot in asking me for had any 2114 01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:53,520 weird dreams and he did have some and 2115 01:39:01,050 --> 01:38:57,760 then they asked another crew member and 2116 01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:01,060 he had weird dreams too and that was 2117 01:39:07,890 --> 01:39:02,650 like they were investigating and 2118 01:39:10,590 --> 01:39:07,900 Dutchman and this just happened in just 2119 01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:10,600 a few seconds I mean they saw the object 2120 01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:13,930 I'd had windows and the green light 2121 01:39:18,090 --> 01:39:16,210 shone down but it was like the military 2122 01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:18,100 was investigating 2123 01:39:24,210 --> 01:39:21,010 um as if they thought there was some 2124 01:39:28,650 --> 01:39:24,220 kind of an abduction and that was kind 2125 01:39:30,510 --> 01:39:28,660 of interesting and also the green light 2126 01:39:33,810 --> 01:39:30,520 was kind of like a tractor being because 2127 01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:33,820 suddenly their helicopter rose shot up 2128 01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:37,930 toward the object and they didn't even 2129 01:39:45,780 --> 01:39:42,850 know it and so I wondered about that and 2130 01:39:49,290 --> 01:39:45,790 about abduction because we had a green 2131 01:39:51,180 --> 01:39:49,300 light I don't know and there were a 2132 01:39:55,980 --> 01:39:51,190 number of cases of green lights another 2133 01:40:00,930 --> 01:39:55,990 there was a Soviet arrow flute airliner 2134 01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:00,940 flying over Mintz and the UFO shot is a 2135 01:40:07,860 --> 01:40:04,930 famous sighting - new episode bla bla 2136 01:40:11,070 --> 01:40:07,870 black body that casts a greenish tint 2137 01:40:16,650 --> 01:40:11,080 over the landscape and there's another 2138 01:40:19,410 --> 01:40:16,660 message there and they projected one of 2139 01:40:22,770 --> 01:40:19,420 the beams into the cabin of the airplane 2140 01:40:27,150 --> 01:40:22,780 and the people saw different colors and 2141 01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:27,160 firing zigzags and then means that they 2142 01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:30,610 were shining changed shape to look like 2143 01:40:40,830 --> 01:40:35,260 the plane and again I wondered in that 2144 01:40:45,540 --> 01:40:40,840 case that that had been done by laser to 2145 01:40:52,710 --> 01:40:45,550 make either a hologram or a volumetric 2146 01:40:58,500 --> 01:40:52,720 display image and then another one was 2147 01:41:02,310 --> 01:40:58,510 as the there was a policeman in I think 2148 01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:02,320 was Nebraska that had reported him an 2149 01:41:11,010 --> 01:41:06,970 abduction and in this case he was 2150 01:41:14,940 --> 01:41:11,020 driving along he saw a UFO and then he 2151 01:41:18,210 --> 01:41:14,950 went back to his station and checked the 2152 01:41:20,100 --> 01:41:18,220 time it sounds like the herb Schirmer 2153 01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:20,110 case well I was trying to think of his 2154 01:41:25,380 --> 01:41:23,410 name I'm sorry yeah that one and check 2155 01:41:30,450 --> 01:41:25,390 this time and discovery he had missing 2156 01:41:31,530 --> 01:41:30,460 time and then Leo sprinkle hypnotized 2157 01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:31,540 him 2158 01:41:39,290 --> 01:41:35,650 and he reported a reduction where the 2159 01:41:42,540 --> 01:41:39,300 UFO had shined a green light on him and 2160 01:41:45,570 --> 01:41:42,550 it seemed to be sort of a tractor beam 2161 01:41:50,190 --> 01:41:45,580 again that pulled his car and then he 2162 01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:50,200 got out and was inside the UFO and one 2163 01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:51,730 thing interesting reported was that 2164 01:41:58,920 --> 01:41:53,770 they're released little UFOs inside the 2165 01:42:01,500 --> 01:41:58,930 big UFO and so anyway that I found other 2166 01:42:03,090 --> 01:42:01,510 places were mysterious green lights it 2167 01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:03,100 appeared and I thought it was kind of 2168 01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:07,510 interesting that and that might relate 2169 01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:11,530 to possibly lasers or something which I 2170 01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:16,000 thought I might have photographed and 2171 01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:18,310 you discuss it's this aspect in in your 2172 01:42:24,750 --> 01:42:22,960 new book uh-huh we had a question from 2173 01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:24,760 uh from a listener 2174 01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:28,270 about about the book and it was kind of 2175 01:42:32,340 --> 01:42:30,880 a challenging one but you know so far 2176 01:42:35,310 --> 01:42:32,350 you've mainly talked about your 2177 01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:35,320 experiences that the member forum member 2178 01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:39,010 a pig farmer asks I've been disappointed 2179 01:42:43,860 --> 01:42:42,250 by UFO paranormal books in the past and 2180 01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:43,870 very often they're just collections of 2181 01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:47,850 the same old stories and debate over the 2182 01:42:53,450 --> 01:42:50,530 debate over them rehash to some degree 2183 01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:53,460 what is different about your book and 2184 01:42:58,770 --> 01:42:57,010 why would it interest me so he's got a 2185 01:43:01,860 --> 01:42:58,780 kind of a challenging question for you 2186 01:43:04,260 --> 01:43:01,870 so it sounds like one aspect of it is 2187 01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:04,270 that you're dealing with you you have a 2188 01:43:09,450 --> 01:43:06,400 scientific background and there's your 2189 01:43:12,900 --> 01:43:09,460 personal experiences so what else does 2190 01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:12,910 he need to know about your book well the 2191 01:43:18,660 --> 01:43:15,970 main thing that's used to invalidate the 2192 01:43:23,930 --> 01:43:18,670 whole UFO phenomena is when they say 2193 01:43:27,420 --> 01:43:23,940 scientists don't see UFOs and there's no 2194 01:43:31,740 --> 01:43:27,430 the peer-reviewed scientific literature 2195 01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:31,750 doesn't encompass UFO reports well in 2196 01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:35,970 this case I tried to invalidate that 2197 01:43:41,970 --> 01:43:39,370 whole idea because scientists do see 2198 01:43:45,150 --> 01:43:41,980 UFOs and I mentioned the number of 2199 01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:45,160 instances great speed 2200 01:43:54,930 --> 01:43:52,810 given they studied meat surveys like dr. 2201 01:43:59,630 --> 01:43:54,940 Hynek made a survey of the American 2202 01:44:03,420 --> 01:43:59,640 Astronomical Society and he said yes 2203 01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:03,430 astronomers see UFOs and Peter Stewart 2204 01:44:13,950 --> 01:44:10,320 made a similar survey and a Russian 2205 01:44:17,370 --> 01:44:13,960 investigator made a big survey and said 2206 01:44:21,570 --> 01:44:17,380 that astronomers see more lot more UFOs 2207 01:44:22,770 --> 01:44:21,580 and regular people and they hypothesize 2208 01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:22,780 that this business because they're 2209 01:44:26,940 --> 01:44:25,210 looking at the Stars but the thing is 2210 01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:26,950 they don't admit it 2211 01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:30,400 so nobody people think oh not scientists 2212 01:44:36,300 --> 01:44:33,040 never see UFOs and so I was recording 2213 01:44:37,860 --> 01:44:36,310 mine I have a scientific background and 2214 01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:37,870 there's professor different things and 2215 01:44:45,210 --> 01:44:42,850 PhD and so I thought you know reporting 2216 01:44:53,940 --> 01:44:45,220 it was something that scientists ought 2217 01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:53,950 to do but um also another I keep hearing 2218 01:44:59,100 --> 01:44:54,730 by NECA 2219 01:45:04,940 --> 01:44:59,110 another reason they attack UFOs is to 2220 01:45:07,950 --> 01:45:04,950 say that there's no UFO reports in the 2221 01:45:11,730 --> 01:45:07,960 peer-reviewed scientific literature we 2222 01:45:14,580 --> 01:45:11,740 got the clarify all that too in our next 2223 01:45:18,290 --> 01:45:14,590 segment with dr. Irina Scott and Jean 2224 01:45:23,650 --> 01:45:18,300 and Kurt you're in the podcast 2225 01:45:31,570 --> 01:45:29,050 [Music] 2226 01:45:32,970 --> 01:45:31,580 thank you for listening to GCN 2227 01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:32,980 [Music] 2228 01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:37,510 be sure to visit GCN live.com today we 2229 01:45:43,050 --> 01:45:39,760 also have swag you know we have all 2230 01:45:43,860 --> 01:45:43,060 these exclusive para cast things that 2231 01:45:45,810 --> 01:45:43,870 you can buy 2232 01:45:48,630 --> 01:45:45,820 we've got like I guess 60 or so 2233 01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:48,640 different items and entails t-shirts 2234 01:45:55,530 --> 01:45:52,239 sleeves for notebook computers iPad 2235 01:45:57,900 --> 01:45:55,540 cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo 2236 01:45:59,700 --> 01:45:57,910 tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and 2237 01:46:02,940 --> 01:45:59,710 jackets and stuff like that for men and 2238 01:46:05,700 --> 01:46:02,950 women we have a para cast aluminum water 2239 01:46:09,330 --> 01:46:05,710 bottle all the stuff you go to store . ^ 2240 01:46:12,270 --> 01:46:09,340 cast comm store dot the para cast com 2241 01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:12,280 what makes special is that the items are 2242 01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:14,530 the best quality of great t-shirts 2243 01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:17,110 fabrics and they have our official logo 2244 01:46:21,390 --> 01:46:18,370 on them that's what makes him special 2245 01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:21,400 multiple sizes and colors we even have 2246 01:46:26,370 --> 01:46:24,130 stuff for children stuff for women's 2247 01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:26,380 stuff for men we have all sorts of sizes 2248 01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:29,050 like small up 2x large a lot of good 2249 01:46:35,100 --> 01:46:31,450 stuff that's the swag from the para cast 2250 01:46:39,660 --> 01:46:35,110 you go to steward dot ^ cast com stop by 2251 01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:39,670 and take a shopping tour attention 2252 01:46:42,780 --> 01:46:41,050 business owners and independent 2253 01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:42,790 contractors this is a money-saving 2254 01:46:47,790 --> 01:46:45,130 message from tax mediation services if 2255 01:46:50,729 --> 01:46:47,800 your business owes $20,000 or more in 2256 01:46:53,550 --> 01:46:50,739 taxes we can help you today right now 2257 01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:53,560 listen dealing with the IRS is no picnic 2258 01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:55,510 it's an intimidating and extremely 2259 01:46:58,560 --> 01:46:57,970 stressful process and you don't want to 2260 01:47:01,440 --> 01:46:58,570 go it alone 2261 01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:01,450 our attorneys know every law every tax 2262 01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:04,030 break and every possible opportunity to 2263 01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:06,370 help you resolve and reduce your tax 2264 01:47:10,830 --> 01:47:09,130 debt and if you owe more than $20,000 2265 01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:10,840 you may be at the top of their hit list 2266 01:47:15,270 --> 01:47:12,970 so don't take your tax debt lightly 2267 01:47:17,610 --> 01:47:15,280 because it will not go away on its own 2268 01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:17,620 the IRS can seize your bank accounts 2269 01:47:22,820 --> 01:47:20,170 your home and even shut down your 2270 01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:22,830 business call our tax experts today at 2271 01:47:28,620 --> 01:47:25,840 1-800 two six one nine eight one eight 2272 01:47:30,990 --> 01:47:28,630 and let us deal with the IRS while you 2273 01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:31,000 focus on your business that's one eight 2274 01:47:37,530 --> 01:47:33,730 hundred two six one nine eight one eight 2275 01:47:45,700 --> 01:47:37,540 again 800 two six one nine eight one 2276 01:47:52,970 --> 01:47:49,100 welcome back to to the para cast the 2277 01:48:01,820 --> 01:47:52,980 gold standard of paranormal radio and 2278 01:48:04,490 --> 01:48:01,830 now here's Jane Steinberg so we are the 2279 01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:04,500 final third of our show with dr. irina 2280 01:48:09,890 --> 01:48:07,650 scott and once again her book published 2281 01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:09,900 by our friend Philip mantel is inside 2282 01:48:17,380 --> 01:48:12,810 the lightening ball scientific study of 2283 01:48:21,530 --> 01:48:17,390 lifelong UFO experiences by dr. Irina 2284 01:48:26,330 --> 01:48:21,540 McCammon Scott PhD Irina 2285 01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:26,340 go ahead please so I submitted UFO 2286 01:48:33,500 --> 01:48:30,570 material to five-centimeter NAL's that 2287 01:48:35,900 --> 01:48:33,510 were regular journals you know the 2288 01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:35,910 normal journal and got five of them 2289 01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:39,440 accepted and so on there's definitely 2290 01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:42,560 UFO material accepted by the 2291 01:48:49,340 --> 01:48:45,450 peer-reviewed scientific literature so 2292 01:48:52,100 --> 01:48:49,350 both of those ideas are incorrect and I 2293 01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:52,110 was trying to mention that my idea 2294 01:48:58,220 --> 01:48:54,810 behind my book was to try to invalidate 2295 01:49:01,460 --> 01:48:58,230 that idea that science doesn't accept 2296 01:49:04,570 --> 01:49:01,470 UFO work and there's been good studies 2297 01:49:07,670 --> 01:49:04,580 of UFO work that have been done that 2298 01:49:10,700 --> 01:49:07,680 people don't know about and so I don't 2299 01:49:14,330 --> 01:49:10,710 think that the argument that this is 2300 01:49:17,480 --> 01:49:14,340 unacceptable unacceptable science is a 2301 01:49:19,790 --> 01:49:17,490 valid argument before we move too far 2302 01:49:22,730 --> 01:49:19,800 from the point that relates to the 2303 01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:22,740 another question we had and that was 2304 01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,490 from your Connick and he wanted he send 2305 01:49:31,660 --> 01:49:28,800 it in in the publishers description of 2306 01:49:34,190 --> 01:49:31,670 your book inside the lining ball it says 2307 01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:34,200 uniquely credible it may be the only 2308 01:49:38,750 --> 01:49:36,210 book having portions accepted into 2309 01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:38,760 peer-reviewed scientific literature so 2310 01:49:44,060 --> 01:49:41,130 he wanted clarification on that and 2311 01:49:48,140 --> 01:49:44,070 you've begun with that and so can you 2312 01:49:50,060 --> 01:49:48,150 give us an example or two of what what 2313 01:49:53,390 --> 01:49:50,070 sort of study you included and where it 2314 01:49:57,230 --> 01:49:53,400 was published yeah I looked at that and 2315 01:49:58,610 --> 01:49:57,240 I went I go use the find button to go 2316 01:50:01,400 --> 01:49:58,620 through my book and I did 2317 01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:01,410 actually say that in the book and what I 2318 01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:06,960 meant was it was the it applied only to 2319 01:50:16,940 --> 01:50:09,450 UFOs not to the whole world of 2320 01:50:21,740 --> 01:50:16,950 literature and I had five things 2321 01:50:25,210 --> 01:50:21,750 accepted by scientific journals one of 2322 01:50:28,970 --> 01:50:25,220 them was a survey there had been a 2323 01:50:32,650 --> 01:50:28,980 publicized UFO sighting in the newspaper 2324 01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:32,660 and I surveyed people another person I 2325 01:50:39,500 --> 01:50:35,930 asking if the asking people in that area 2326 01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:39,510 where they seen UFOs and so it was more 2327 01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:41,130 acceptable for them to talk about it 2328 01:50:45,770 --> 01:50:43,410 because it's just been a newspaper and I 2329 01:50:48,590 --> 01:50:45,780 found any a lot more than usually 2330 01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:48,600 reported people saying yeah they'd seen 2331 01:50:52,340 --> 01:50:51,450 UFOs I mean they thought that what they 2332 01:50:56,090 --> 01:50:52,350 thought reopens 2333 01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:56,100 and they knew people didn't see him then 2334 01:51:03,710 --> 01:51:00,320 in two of the publications I wrote about 2335 01:51:06,460 --> 01:51:03,720 the appearance of UFOs and one of them 2336 01:51:09,530 --> 01:51:06,470 was a picture that I took in 2337 01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:09,540 Massachusetts and I submitted that to a 2338 01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:12,810 scientific society and it was published 2339 01:51:20,780 --> 01:51:17,730 and then I had seen another one with a 2340 01:51:22,970 --> 01:51:20,790 lot of witnesses over the Ohio State 2341 01:51:28,780 --> 01:51:22,980 campus and it was quite long sighting 2342 01:51:32,260 --> 01:51:28,790 and I had reports from you know page DS 2343 01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:32,270 very qualified people about it and they 2344 01:51:39,770 --> 01:51:35,360 show that reports and they also do 2345 01:51:43,700 --> 01:51:39,780 pictures and so I submitted that and it 2346 01:51:46,700 --> 01:51:43,710 was acceptable then I have one about a 2347 01:51:50,570 --> 01:51:46,710 sound it was heard over about a fourth 2348 01:51:53,150 --> 01:51:50,580 of the United States it was in 1973 when 2349 01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:53,160 there was a big flap and there was just 2350 01:51:58,040 --> 01:51:55,290 this big sound that was heard over an 2351 01:52:01,070 --> 01:51:58,050 enormous area and some people said oh 2352 01:52:03,470 --> 01:52:01,080 that's a jet plane con trailer sonic 2353 01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:03,480 boom or whatever but it was much larger 2354 01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:05,970 and I made a study of that I was 2355 01:52:10,340 --> 01:52:08,490 debunked by somebody that I mean I 2356 01:52:12,050 --> 01:52:10,350 reported in both the scientific 2357 01:52:15,980 --> 01:52:12,060 literature and in funds 2358 01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:15,990 and my new phone journal articles debunk 2359 01:52:22,490 --> 01:52:19,290 and with the person saying this is a jet 2360 01:52:24,410 --> 01:52:22,500 but it was much wider than a jet 2361 01:52:26,810 --> 01:52:24,420 contrails because I looked into the size 2362 01:52:30,970 --> 01:52:26,820 of jet contrails and the person that 2363 01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:30,980 attacked me had drawn a diagram of what 2364 01:52:39,650 --> 01:52:35,850 he claimed was a sighting of this jet 2365 01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:39,660 and his diagram wasn't even close to 2366 01:52:46,090 --> 01:52:43,410 where the jet was like so I debunking 2367 01:52:49,370 --> 01:52:46,100 article to his article and 2368 01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:49,380 another the last one was a statistical 2369 01:52:55,670 --> 01:52:53,760 study where there used to other star 2370 01:52:57,500 --> 01:52:55,680 there used to be waves of your foe 2371 01:52:58,820 --> 01:52:57,510 sightings some years there'd be a whole 2372 01:53:03,770 --> 01:52:58,830 lot in other years there wouldn't mean 2373 01:53:06,890 --> 01:53:03,780 many and I study that statistically with 2374 01:53:11,980 --> 01:53:06,900 other wave phenomena and I got a 2375 01:53:16,010 --> 01:53:11,990 positive relationship statistically with 2376 01:53:19,970 --> 01:53:16,020 sunsets sunspot cycles which seemed 2377 01:53:24,290 --> 01:53:19,980 intersting it was just a certain number 2378 01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:24,300 of years and you know me you wonder if 2379 01:53:30,050 --> 01:53:25,920 there was if there might be something 2380 01:53:31,970 --> 01:53:30,060 electrical associated with UFOs or maybe 2381 01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:31,980 people see more than Northern Lights and 2382 01:53:36,500 --> 01:53:34,290 mistaken for UFOs or things like that I 2383 01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:36,510 couldn't really explain it but I did get 2384 01:53:42,730 --> 01:53:40,320 a positive correlation and so while five 2385 01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:42,740 of those were in scientific journals 2386 01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:46,530 well that's that's I'd like to see more 2387 01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:49,890 of that being published and I wanted to 2388 01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:51,930 go back to something you mentioned 2389 01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:54,360 earlier about how when you're working 2390 01:53:58,970 --> 01:53:56,250 for the DIA that you weren't comfortable 2391 01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:58,980 and discussing ufos because you thought 2392 01:54:03,620 --> 01:54:01,440 would you could possibly be fired over 2393 01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:03,630 that and you know you discussed the fact 2394 01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:06,000 that scientists do see UFOs but i think 2395 01:54:11,060 --> 01:54:08,010 a lot of them they may not have the same 2396 01:54:14,020 --> 01:54:11,070 security concerns that you had but 2397 01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:14,030 they're worried about the reputation and 2398 01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:17,520 you may remember years ago dr. peter 2399 01:54:22,910 --> 01:54:20,490 rank radiologist had written it and 2400 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:22,920 article in the MUFON journal and the 2401 01:54:25,740 --> 01:54:23,530 title 2402 01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:25,750 I've forgotten but his his basic premise 2403 01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:29,170 was that for what UFO witnesses we 2404 01:54:35,190 --> 01:54:32,650 should adopt a model that was more like 2405 01:54:37,860 --> 01:54:35,200 the medical model they where you can 2406 01:54:40,170 --> 01:54:37,870 discuss a case in but you don't disclose 2407 01:54:41,940 --> 01:54:40,180 the patient's identity and he was 2408 01:54:43,860 --> 01:54:41,950 thinking that's what we should do with 2409 01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:43,870 your four witnesses and I thought 2410 01:54:48,210 --> 01:54:45,760 there's some merit to that idea because 2411 01:54:49,650 --> 01:54:48,220 sometimes that eliminates the you know 2412 01:54:52,050 --> 01:54:49,660 like the crackpots who have for 2413 01:54:54,260 --> 01:54:52,060 publicity if their names unknown well 2414 01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:54,270 then that robs them of the reward of 2415 01:54:59,760 --> 01:54:57,850 hoaxing subjects and for the people who 2416 01:55:02,010 --> 01:54:59,770 like well just any number of witnesses 2417 01:55:04,620 --> 01:55:02,020 who've been received 2418 01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:04,630 unwanted attention you know this saves 2419 01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:06,310 them of the burden of that and the case 2420 01:55:10,890 --> 01:55:09,010 can just be investigated so I wanted to 2421 01:55:13,110 --> 01:55:10,900 know your thoughts on that but along 2422 01:55:16,170 --> 01:55:13,120 with that there would need to be some 2423 01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:16,180 safeguards you know like when a 2424 01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:19,330 newspaper has the anonymous witness you 2425 01:55:23,790 --> 01:55:21,280 know a reporter and the editor and maybe 2426 01:55:27,150 --> 01:55:23,800 another party know and shared the 2427 01:55:30,060 --> 01:55:27,160 identity and protected so how do we make 2428 01:55:33,630 --> 01:55:30,070 sure that a ufologist isn't it inventing 2429 01:55:37,340 --> 01:55:33,640 a witness so what do you think about 2430 01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:37,350 those ideas well I was suggesting that 2431 01:55:45,990 --> 01:55:42,850 science very well can study UFOs and I 2432 01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:46,000 think the best study ever done was by 2433 01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:49,440 Battelle Memorial Institute where we 2434 01:56:00,270 --> 01:55:55,290 examine the project new book reports 2435 01:56:05,010 --> 01:56:00,280 scientifically and they found several 2436 01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:05,020 things in a way proof that UFO phenomena 2437 01:56:10,710 --> 01:56:08,050 is totally different from prosaic you 2438 01:56:14,910 --> 01:56:10,720 know airplanes and everything it was 2439 01:56:17,490 --> 01:56:14,920 called I think it was called a special 2440 01:56:21,690 --> 01:56:17,500 report Project Blue Book special report 2441 01:56:27,480 --> 01:56:21,700 14 and it was analyzed by Bruce Maccabee 2442 01:56:29,310 --> 01:56:27,490 and in this case they actually could act 2443 01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:29,320 they actually stated their reports and 2444 01:56:34,260 --> 01:56:32,560 they had a whole lot like over 7,000 and 2445 01:56:37,410 --> 01:56:34,270 they took out the good reports from 2446 01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:37,420 Project Blue Book and even though 2447 01:56:42,150 --> 01:56:39,280 they're saying you're saying well 2448 01:56:45,450 --> 01:56:42,160 nothing exists well they did find 2449 01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:45,460 positive scientific results and one of 2450 01:56:53,730 --> 01:56:48,850 the things they were studying was what 2451 01:56:59,940 --> 01:56:53,740 was the idea that UFOs result from not 2452 01:57:03,000 --> 01:56:59,950 having enough information from that 2453 01:57:05,580 --> 01:57:03,010 there miss Merritt where there just 2454 01:57:08,130 --> 01:57:05,590 isn't enough information to real lack of 2455 01:57:10,770 --> 01:57:08,140 information well you know one thing too 2456 01:57:13,380 --> 01:57:10,780 I lack the informations excuse to say a 2457 01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:13,390 case has been explained but this was a 2458 01:57:17,730 --> 01:57:16,090 very very common trick employed by the 2459 01:57:21,540 --> 01:57:17,740 Air Force in the early days and 2460 01:57:23,700 --> 01:57:21,550 certainly a way to avoid the facts we 2461 01:57:33,380 --> 01:57:23,710 got more to come with Irina 2462 01:57:39,019 --> 01:57:36,549 [Music] 2463 01:57:40,759 --> 01:57:39,029 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Peric ask.com 2564 02:02:05,149 --> 02:02:03,270 you're in the para cast indeed dr. Irena 2565 02:02:08,959 --> 02:02:05,159 Scots joining us and we're talking about 2566 02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:08,969 her latest book inside the lightening 2567 02:02:14,510 --> 02:02:11,610 vol scientific study of lifelong UFO 2568 02:02:16,850 --> 02:02:14,520 experiences and we're looking at the 2569 02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:16,860 scientific investigation of UFOs I want 2570 02:02:20,450 --> 02:02:19,050 to move away from some of what we've 2571 02:02:22,700 --> 02:02:20,460 been talking about mostly because we 2572 02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:22,710 have preset segments left and I don't 2573 02:02:27,050 --> 02:02:24,690 want to run out of time before we cover 2574 02:02:29,479 --> 02:02:27,060 everything do I take it here 2575 02:02:31,660 --> 02:02:29,489 Irena that you pretty much go with the 2576 02:02:36,140 --> 02:02:31,670 possibility that UFOs are 2577 02:02:40,340 --> 02:02:36,150 extraterrestrial visitors no I they may 2578 02:02:45,459 --> 02:02:40,350 be different things maybe some of them 2579 02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:45,469 are spacecraft maybe some of them are 2580 02:02:50,990 --> 02:02:48,330 something that nobody understands at all 2581 02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:51,000 maybe some of them are black man or 2582 02:02:57,320 --> 02:02:53,730 black and do something like that yeah 2583 02:02:59,840 --> 02:02:57,330 they've been hypothesize the black 2584 02:03:02,660 --> 02:02:59,850 matter might good life maybe form some 2585 02:03:07,729 --> 02:03:02,670 black matter what do you mean by black 2586 02:03:14,479 --> 02:03:10,689 black energy or whatever the universe is 2587 02:03:18,709 --> 02:03:14,489 expanding and some say that this is new 2588 02:03:20,510 --> 02:03:18,719 black matter or black energy pushing it 2589 02:03:23,359 --> 02:03:20,520 apart and things like that I think I'm 2590 02:03:27,620 --> 02:03:23,369 using the wrong word though if there's 2591 02:03:28,939 --> 02:03:27,630 this black force that it's like matter 2592 02:03:32,570 --> 02:03:28,949 but it's something that we don't 2593 02:03:36,620 --> 02:03:32,580 understand anything about but anyway I 2594 02:03:39,169 --> 02:03:36,630 just think that maybe UFOs instead of 2595 02:03:45,530 --> 02:03:39,179 being one particular thing when somebody 2596 02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:45,540 makes a observation it may be something 2597 02:03:51,250 --> 02:03:47,730 from several groups of things and like 2598 02:03:59,110 --> 02:03:51,260 you were talking about the psychic acts 2599 02:04:05,240 --> 02:04:04,610 object in the sky like a ball or 2600 02:04:09,020 --> 02:04:05,250 something 2601 02:04:13,100 --> 02:04:09,030 you might say it's a UFO but just as 2602 02:04:15,770 --> 02:04:13,110 well you could say well this is a orb or 2603 02:04:19,100 --> 02:04:15,780 poltergeist or something and it would be 2604 02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:19,110 hard to say exactly how you can tell the 2605 02:04:24,620 --> 02:04:21,450 difference so it might be something like 2606 02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:24,630 that it might meet aliens it might be 2607 02:04:30,140 --> 02:04:26,850 something from Earth that like me time 2608 02:04:33,710 --> 02:04:30,150 travelers and just a whole group of 2609 02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:33,720 things so there's not one UFO there may 2610 02:04:40,190 --> 02:04:36,570 be many yeah all right 2611 02:04:44,680 --> 02:04:40,200 and then probably circa ristic stood if 2612 02:04:48,260 --> 02:04:44,690 anybody study them that much obviously 2613 02:04:50,570 --> 02:04:48,270 this identification is - do you think 2614 02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:50,580 we'll ever get a final answer with all 2615 02:04:54,590 --> 02:04:52,650 this because we've gone through all 2616 02:04:57,020 --> 02:04:54,600 these years and I've been complaining 2617 02:04:59,900 --> 02:04:57,030 for too many years that we've haven't me 2618 02:05:02,900 --> 02:04:59,910 enough progress in this field and we 2619 02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:02,910 still have these open possibilities so 2620 02:05:07,340 --> 02:05:05,010 do you think science is finally gonna 2621 02:05:11,240 --> 02:05:07,350 get a handle on or are we going to sit 2622 02:05:14,290 --> 02:05:11,250 here from the old-age home a few years 2623 02:05:20,630 --> 02:05:14,300 from now saying when is this gonna be 2624 02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:20,640 solved well I don't think there's good 2625 02:05:25,490 --> 02:05:24,090 scientific studies and another idea by 2626 02:05:28,340 --> 02:05:25,500 my book was I think you can do 2627 02:05:30,740 --> 02:05:28,350 scientific studies of UFOs but instead 2628 02:05:33,530 --> 02:05:30,750 people seem to think there's spiritual 2629 02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:33,540 or something like that and I don't think 2630 02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:35,280 you need a theory of what they are I 2631 02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:37,050 think you just need to look at the data 2632 02:05:46,300 --> 02:05:42,090 and do a study and compare like you know 2633 02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:48,580 unidentified objects compared to 2634 02:05:53,060 --> 02:05:51,090 identify lady objects that are 2635 02:05:56,090 --> 02:05:53,070 identified later and that sort of thing 2636 02:05:58,580 --> 02:05:56,100 and you can get information whether 2637 02:06:02,930 --> 02:05:58,590 you're even if you don't really have a 2638 02:06:05,150 --> 02:06:02,940 theory of what UFOs are or any hard 2639 02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:05,160 dated like landing on the White House 2640 02:06:10,410 --> 02:06:06,770 lawn or anything like that 2641 02:06:12,689 --> 02:06:10,420 you can still explore it 2642 02:06:16,649 --> 02:06:12,699 so I I don't think there's too many 2643 02:06:18,270 --> 02:06:16,659 being going on and that's why I spent a 2644 02:06:22,530 --> 02:06:18,280 lot of time in my book talking about 2645 02:06:27,500 --> 02:06:22,540 science and UFOs and how you can study 2646 02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:29,879 so I think they could be studied and I 2647 02:06:36,030 --> 02:06:33,040 think people could get farther along but 2648 02:06:38,220 --> 02:06:36,040 if they're if some of them are like form 2649 02:06:40,830 --> 02:06:38,230 it might be very very complicated and 2650 02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:40,840 hard to do cards we talk about living 2651 02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:41,850 UFOs 2652 02:06:51,060 --> 02:06:47,530 well I someone might be there's TV show 2653 02:06:54,180 --> 02:06:51,070 cult TV show called Farscape we're all 2654 02:06:56,370 --> 02:06:54,190 the spaceships leviathans I think they 2655 02:06:57,780 --> 02:06:56,380 call them we're living creatures 2656 02:07:00,810 --> 02:06:57,790 although they look like spaceships but 2657 02:07:03,890 --> 02:07:00,820 you could actually talk to them maybe 2658 02:07:07,169 --> 02:07:03,900 Curt do you remember the show barely 2659 02:07:08,760 --> 02:07:07,179 I've seen seen programs like that were 2660 02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:08,770 there sometimes there's even like some 2661 02:07:14,090 --> 02:07:12,010 sort of mechanical life going on but you 2662 02:07:17,070 --> 02:07:14,100 know that that does remind me of the 2663 02:07:19,530 --> 02:07:17,080 Kenneth Arnold the famous pioneer in 2664 02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:19,540 UFOs his he had some additional 2665 02:07:24,990 --> 02:07:22,330 sightings and one in 1952 led him to 2666 02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:25,000 believe that UFOs were living creatures 2667 02:07:30,209 --> 02:07:27,010 he he compared it to something like a 2668 02:07:31,770 --> 02:07:30,219 jellyfish and they could couldn't could 2669 02:07:33,390 --> 02:07:31,780 sort of move through the air and change 2670 02:07:36,120 --> 02:07:33,400 its density and he thought you know 2671 02:07:38,280 --> 02:07:36,130 maybe even become invisible so he felt 2672 02:07:40,850 --> 02:07:38,290 they were intelligent and alive at least 2673 02:07:43,979 --> 02:07:40,860 some of them for the sake of trivia 2674 02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:43,989 Farscape featured not just human actors 2675 02:07:50,280 --> 02:07:47,920 and adequate special effects but also 2676 02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:50,290 Muppets and I think it was co-produced 2677 02:07:55,200 --> 02:07:52,570 by one of the Henson companies or 2678 02:07:57,060 --> 02:07:55,210 something far escape you can probably 2679 02:08:00,540 --> 02:07:57,070 find some streaming service still 2680 02:08:03,510 --> 02:08:00,550 carrying the shows reminds me of Trevor 2681 02:08:05,359 --> 02:08:03,520 James Constable they live in the sky was 2682 02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:05,369 the book he wrote at least one of them 2683 02:08:11,399 --> 02:08:10,090 maybe some phenomena is that well it 2684 02:08:13,649 --> 02:08:11,409 certainly doesn't seem to be one size 2685 02:08:17,459 --> 02:08:13,659 fits all which I guess makes things more 2686 02:08:19,740 --> 02:08:17,469 and more complicated like that so that's 2687 02:08:22,220 --> 02:08:19,750 difficult back to abductions very 2688 02:08:23,770 --> 02:08:22,230 briefly do you think abductions are 2689 02:08:25,810 --> 02:08:23,780 encounters with 2690 02:08:30,100 --> 02:08:25,820 thanks for terrestrials or something 2691 02:08:36,129 --> 02:08:30,110 else well they're usually interpreted as 2692 02:08:39,729 --> 02:08:36,139 encounters with ET especially where 2693 02:08:42,459 --> 02:08:39,739 people report that their seed beans and 2694 02:08:47,439 --> 02:08:42,469 a lot of people they see small grey 2695 02:08:51,939 --> 02:08:47,449 beings and things like that and I don't 2696 02:08:55,240 --> 02:08:51,949 really have any idea actually because I 2697 02:08:56,620 --> 02:08:55,250 think that the phenomena might be able 2698 02:09:01,229 --> 02:08:56,630 to make people see things and you 2699 02:09:05,109 --> 02:09:01,239 mentioned screen memories and I was also 2700 02:09:08,260 --> 02:09:05,119 considering my own they do that I 2701 02:09:12,910 --> 02:09:08,270 thought they had lights that you can't 2702 02:09:18,910 --> 02:09:12,920 see possibly lasers and you can form 2703 02:09:21,970 --> 02:09:18,920 images with lasers and so a lot of times 2704 02:09:24,580 --> 02:09:21,980 they'll say they'll see these like red 2705 02:09:25,959 --> 02:09:24,590 balls that turn into a creature they're 2706 02:09:26,310 --> 02:09:25,969 turning the Bigfoot or something like 2707 02:09:36,450 --> 02:09:26,320 that 2708 02:09:40,419 --> 02:09:36,460 actually very advanced technology and so 2709 02:09:42,010 --> 02:09:40,429 I don't know whether they're images or 2710 02:09:45,069 --> 02:09:42,020 something that's put into people's 2711 02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:45,079 brains not that I don't mean people are 2712 02:09:50,799 --> 02:09:48,050 crazy and imagine things I just meant 2713 02:09:54,850 --> 02:09:50,809 that there might be ways to put 2714 02:09:57,609 --> 02:09:54,860 different ideas in people's minds and 2715 02:10:01,510 --> 02:09:57,619 that the phenomena might be able to do 2716 02:10:04,270 --> 02:10:01,520 that too there are a number of people 2717 02:10:07,089 --> 02:10:04,280 suggest that that some UFO experiences 2718 02:10:09,609 --> 02:10:07,099 almost seem like it's a performance on 2719 02:10:12,580 --> 02:10:09,619 the part of the UFO or the entity behind 2720 02:10:15,850 --> 02:10:12,590 it let's continue that's an interesting 2721 02:10:19,180 --> 02:10:15,860 idea with Kurt Collins Jean Steinberg 2722 02:10:28,790 --> 02:10:19,190 our special guest dr. Irena Scott you're 2723 02:10:36,650 --> 02:10:33,450 thank you for listening to GCN be sure 2724 02:10:39,330 --> 02:10:36,660 to visit GN live.com today 2725 02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:39,340 healthcare reform is confusing with the 2726 02:10:42,150 --> 02:10:40,930 loss of the Obamacare mandate those 2727 02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:42,160 needing help can now choose an 2728 02:10:45,690 --> 02:10:43,930 affordable alternative by joining 2729 02:10:47,370 --> 02:10:45,700 Liberty health share you're part of a 2730 02:10:49,200 --> 02:10:47,380 community of health conscious Americans 2731 02:10:50,910 --> 02:10:49,210 all over the country who control their 2732 02:10:53,220 --> 02:10:50,920 own health care costs and choices 2733 02:10:54,900 --> 02:10:53,230 Liberty health share is not insurance it 2734 02:10:57,090 --> 02:10:54,910 is an association of self-pay patients 2735 02:10:58,680 --> 02:10:57,100 who unite with like-minded people to 2736 02:11:01,140 --> 02:10:58,690 share the cost 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performance artists are they not 2834 02:15:02,660 --> 02:15:01,140 Curtis Collins that questions been 2835 02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:02,670 raised by a number of people of course 2836 02:15:07,070 --> 02:15:05,850 and Charolais has suggested that and 2837 02:15:10,070 --> 02:15:07,080 have been some people have even 2838 02:15:12,590 --> 02:15:10,080 described the events and the Rendlesham 2839 02:15:15,020 --> 02:15:12,600 forest as it was almost as if it was 2840 02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:15,030 waiting for an audience to put on the 2841 02:15:19,580 --> 02:15:17,760 show so there been other encounters that 2842 02:15:22,430 --> 02:15:19,590 things that has happened that are so 2843 02:15:24,410 --> 02:15:22,440 strange and you know why does why so 2844 02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:24,420 many things happen over highways and 2845 02:15:29,570 --> 02:15:26,400 there's all this deserted land but 2846 02:15:31,910 --> 02:15:29,580 between them what is it why does a UFO 2847 02:15:34,430 --> 02:15:31,920 gravitate towards where a witness is 2848 02:15:36,500 --> 02:15:34,440 gonna see it well do you see maybe 2849 02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:36,510 what's happening here is this is a team 2850 02:15:42,370 --> 02:15:38,970 of extraterrestrial performance artists 2851 02:15:46,640 --> 02:15:42,380 and they're learning their craft by 2852 02:15:50,810 --> 02:15:46,650 acting before primitive earthlings well 2853 02:15:53,590 --> 02:15:50,820 that's my 103 know I tried to discuss 2854 02:15:56,630 --> 02:15:53,600 that in my book son that yeah it appears 2855 02:16:00,050 --> 02:15:56,640 in a lot of cases they're kind of 2856 02:16:02,570 --> 02:16:00,060 putting on a performance and like dr. 2857 02:16:05,870 --> 02:16:02,580 Harley Rutledge she did a really good 2858 02:16:11,690 --> 02:16:05,880 study for setting up stations during the 2859 02:16:14,990 --> 02:16:11,700 1973 flap where sine is observed UFOs in 2860 02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:15,000 real time and he said that maybe they 2861 02:16:23,870 --> 02:16:17,970 have sense of humor and in a number of 2862 02:16:26,690 --> 02:16:23,880 other cases like the lodge by Nora Webb 2863 02:16:33,620 --> 02:16:26,700 it it looked like they were putting on a 2864 02:16:36,500 --> 02:16:33,630 performance the question I have do they 2865 02:16:41,990 --> 02:16:36,510 have an alien version of the Tonys or 2866 02:16:44,180 --> 02:16:42,000 the Oscars for the Emmys see that so 2867 02:16:47,330 --> 02:16:44,190 that's a mistake that we always make is 2868 02:16:49,340 --> 02:16:47,340 thinking that that they are relatable to 2869 02:16:51,419 --> 02:16:49,350 us in any way you know so if there is 2870 02:16:54,459 --> 02:16:51,429 this awesome and tell 2871 02:16:56,469 --> 02:16:54,469 they may be unrelatable and then that's 2872 02:16:58,809 --> 02:16:56,479 kind of the frightening part of it that 2873 02:17:04,780 --> 02:16:58,819 we're just incapable of understanding it 2874 02:17:07,360 --> 02:17:04,790 yeah and I was also mentioning that they 2875 02:17:09,490 --> 02:17:07,370 may be in contact with people but not 2876 02:17:10,990 --> 02:17:09,500 your conscious mind they may be in 2877 02:17:11,439 --> 02:17:11,000 contact with some other part of your 2878 02:17:16,209 --> 02:17:11,449 mind 2879 02:17:19,570 --> 02:17:16,219 you just have a few points of knowledge 2880 02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:19,580 of this consciously which is a creepy 2881 02:17:25,990 --> 02:17:24,319 thought maybe something subliminal so 2882 02:17:27,459 --> 02:17:26,000 you've been posed in some scientific 2883 02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:27,469 journals I don't want to ask you about 2884 02:17:33,370 --> 02:17:30,170 relationship with other scientists so 2885 02:17:35,530 --> 02:17:33,380 when when you talk to another mainstream 2886 02:17:37,839 --> 02:17:35,540 scientists and they're willing to 2887 02:17:40,389 --> 02:17:37,849 consider UFOs is something like 2888 02:17:42,759 --> 02:17:40,399 abductions or this the paranormal side 2889 02:17:45,400 --> 02:17:42,769 you know are there some things that they 2890 02:17:48,400 --> 02:17:45,410 just don't want to address even if they 2891 02:17:50,709 --> 02:17:48,410 are willing to consider UFOs I think 2892 02:17:54,070 --> 02:17:50,719 that it depends on the person of course 2893 02:17:56,229 --> 02:17:54,080 some people like the Harley Rutledge I 2894 02:17:58,269 --> 02:17:56,239 was talking about he was a PhD in 2895 02:18:01,870 --> 02:17:58,279 physics and a professor when he said he 2896 02:18:05,320 --> 02:18:01,880 saw 160 different 2897 02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:05,330 yeah the 160 different sightings and in 2898 02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:08,210 that case they were scientific sightings 2899 02:18:14,009 --> 02:18:11,090 because he had stations that where 2900 02:18:17,349 --> 02:18:14,019 people were there'd be several witnesses 2901 02:18:19,839 --> 02:18:17,359 following UFOs in real time and he said 2902 02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:19,849 he thought it was something subliminal 2903 02:18:23,620 --> 02:18:20,719 that there was some kind of 2904 02:18:26,169 --> 02:18:23,630 communication going on between the 2905 02:18:30,030 --> 02:18:26,179 opposing the people that sometimes 2906 02:18:32,620 --> 02:18:30,040 people shined a flashlight on a UFO or 2907 02:18:36,490 --> 02:18:32,630 pointed at him that they would respond 2908 02:18:39,759 --> 02:18:36,500 and so he thought there was I actually 2909 02:18:43,259 --> 02:18:39,769 get what he called him anyway I was 2910 02:18:45,519 --> 02:18:43,269 singing interaction or something that 2911 02:18:49,299 --> 02:18:45,529 there was some kind of response in the 2912 02:18:51,429 --> 02:18:49,309 UFOs when the people did particular 2913 02:18:56,049 --> 02:18:51,439 things and this is a very scientific 2914 02:18:57,790 --> 02:18:56,059 study project identification implements 2915 02:19:00,759 --> 02:18:57,800 book together I like to ask authors this 2916 02:19:04,689 --> 02:19:00,769 every so often did something come across 2917 02:19:06,459 --> 02:19:04,699 in your research that totally totally 2918 02:19:11,410 --> 02:19:06,469 knocked you out something that you'd 2919 02:19:14,410 --> 02:19:11,420 never expected to discover I kind of 2920 02:19:17,910 --> 02:19:14,420 wondered about the sort knock me up was 2921 02:19:20,379 --> 02:19:17,920 is that there may be some subliminal 2922 02:19:23,769 --> 02:19:20,389 component who you're opposed where 2923 02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:23,779 there's something interacting with your 2924 02:19:27,689 --> 02:19:25,519 mind which you're not conscious of it 2925 02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:27,699 and I think that's the same thing that 2926 02:19:34,030 --> 02:19:31,130 hardly what they just said there's 2927 02:19:35,769 --> 02:19:34,040 something that you just aren't conscious 2928 02:19:39,519 --> 02:19:35,779 of that's going on somewhere in your 2929 02:19:42,759 --> 02:19:39,529 brain that pretty scary I mean for 2930 02:19:46,110 --> 02:19:42,769 example my two of my first sightings 2931 02:19:49,149 --> 02:19:46,120 when I was a kid was I woke up and 2932 02:19:51,910 --> 02:19:49,159 undergoing close encounter well that 2933 02:19:54,250 --> 02:19:51,920 seemed really funny and in one case my 2934 02:19:56,649 --> 02:19:54,260 sister was there so it looks it's all 2935 02:19:58,750 --> 02:19:56,659 the same thing but it's hard to explain 2936 02:20:00,240 --> 02:19:58,760 why you would just wake up and there was 2937 02:20:02,979 --> 02:20:00,250 a UFO near a 2938 02:20:06,580 --> 02:20:02,989 object you wonder if there's more going 2939 02:20:09,639 --> 02:20:06,590 on well I certainly don't wonder here 2940 02:20:11,620 --> 02:20:09,649 about this phenomenon because very 2941 02:20:14,139 --> 02:20:11,630 little surprises me anymore after all 2942 02:20:15,880 --> 02:20:14,149 these years and there's one thing here 2943 02:20:17,469 --> 02:20:15,890 that imagine the chapter I guess we 2944 02:20:20,380 --> 02:20:17,479 haven't pushed it pretty much chapter 8 2945 02:20:23,490 --> 02:20:20,390 behavior possible psychic phenomena and 2946 02:20:27,160 --> 02:20:23,500 dreams mind controls stuff like that 2947 02:20:29,729 --> 02:20:27,170 where do we see mind control well for 2948 02:20:34,269 --> 02:20:29,739 example when my sister I walked up 2949 02:20:36,729 --> 02:20:34,279 something was in her room we had no idea 2950 02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:36,739 why we woke up or what was going on or 2951 02:20:43,719 --> 02:20:41,930 wife had happened but not only did we 2952 02:20:46,269 --> 02:20:43,729 wake up with something in our room but 2953 02:20:49,719 --> 02:20:46,279 we both became terrified exactly at the 2954 02:20:52,540 --> 02:20:49,729 same time for no reason at all and I 2955 02:20:56,260 --> 02:20:52,550 wondered if something was controlling 2956 02:20:58,300 --> 02:20:56,270 our emotions when that happened if it 2957 02:21:00,910 --> 02:20:58,310 just happened to me I wouldn't I'd still 2958 02:21:02,469 --> 02:21:00,920 wonder why I woke up and we both got 2959 02:21:05,710 --> 02:21:02,479 scared at the same time just like maybe 2960 02:21:07,719 --> 02:21:05,720 something was controlling us and you had 2961 02:21:11,439 --> 02:21:07,729 no resistance you couldn't just fight 2962 02:21:13,570 --> 02:21:11,449 back say leave me the heck alone we were 2963 02:21:17,719 --> 02:21:13,580 terrible I just ran out of the room as 2964 02:21:21,890 --> 02:21:20,179 I didn't know you know I still know why 2965 02:21:26,210 --> 02:21:21,900 we're so terrified but we sent my own 2966 02:21:28,520 --> 02:21:26,220 one and then in Our Lady later sightings 2967 02:21:31,340 --> 02:21:28,530 we weren't scared and it seemed like we 2968 02:21:33,980 --> 02:21:31,350 should have been scared too and in the 2969 02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:33,990 poltergeist thing I was terrified but I 2970 02:21:39,140 --> 02:21:36,810 went to sleep and you know several times 2971 02:21:40,750 --> 02:21:39,150 and that seemed really weird like maybe 2972 02:21:46,280 --> 02:21:40,760 something that's controlling my mind 2973 02:21:49,880 --> 02:21:46,290 which I wouldn't want to happen so I had 2974 02:21:51,980 --> 02:21:49,890 some questions about that well you know 2975 02:21:56,060 --> 02:21:51,990 it's just interesting here as we watch 2976 02:21:59,380 --> 02:21:56,070 the UFO field how you're covering all 2977 02:22:02,120 --> 02:21:59,390 the stuff that people don't talk about 2978 02:22:05,120 --> 02:22:02,130 do you find that in looking at people 2979 02:22:08,179 --> 02:22:05,130 who have had life times of experience 2980 02:22:09,560 --> 02:22:08,189 that it they remember the one experience 2981 02:22:11,300 --> 02:22:09,570 and they don't think about the others 2982 02:22:14,240 --> 02:22:11,310 until someone actually thinks to ask 2983 02:22:16,460 --> 02:22:14,250 them and yet the bugaboo I've had about 2984 02:22:18,740 --> 02:22:16,470 MUFON to be frank I think they don't 2985 02:22:19,960 --> 02:22:18,750 look into the family histories as much 2986 02:22:22,700 --> 02:22:19,970 as they should 2987 02:22:27,260 --> 02:22:22,710 well that's one thing I think Budd 2988 02:22:30,230 --> 02:22:27,270 Hopkins was studying well my sister and 2989 02:22:32,990 --> 02:22:30,240 I had sightings together her kids had 2990 02:22:36,950 --> 02:22:33,000 some sightings and he was sort of 2991 02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:36,960 studying family things and Kathleen 2992 02:22:44,120 --> 02:22:38,970 Martin has I think she's published 2993 02:22:49,130 --> 02:22:44,130 several things about Hell sightings kind 2994 02:22:52,429 --> 02:22:49,140 of run in families that if a person had 2995 02:22:55,240 --> 02:22:52,439 had a sighting that a family member may 2996 02:22:58,880 --> 02:22:55,250 have had one too I think 2997 02:23:02,560 --> 02:22:58,890 Jacobs dr. Jacobs also wrote about that 2998 02:23:07,390 --> 02:23:02,570 about family members experiencing 2999 02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:07,400 sightings also recites the cider 3000 02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:10,170 somebody's worried about him if you had 3001 02:23:15,770 --> 02:23:13,290 sightings it's a possibility children 3002 02:23:18,590 --> 02:23:15,780 will have sightings there may be 3003 02:23:21,620 --> 02:23:18,600 something hereditary component something 3004 02:23:24,170 --> 02:23:21,630 like that and I was kind of wondering 3005 02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:24,180 because with all the new genetics that 3006 02:23:26,600 --> 02:23:26,160 they can be like of DNA tests and things 3007 02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:26,610 like that 3008 02:23:31,340 --> 02:23:29,280 if you've got enough information and 3009 02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:31,350 family information they 3010 02:23:36,620 --> 02:23:34,319 this reason with all the DNA tests they 3011 02:23:39,559 --> 02:23:36,630 have now and with people that know about 3012 02:23:41,240 --> 02:23:39,569 their genetics and family history there 3013 02:23:44,510 --> 02:23:41,250 might be some way to set up a scientific 3014 02:23:47,450 --> 02:23:44,520 study to see if people that have 3015 02:23:52,429 --> 02:23:47,460 sightings in their family have some 3016 02:23:54,590 --> 02:23:52,439 particular DNA strand or maybe even 3017 02:23:57,229 --> 02:23:54,600 related to other people that are having 3018 02:23:59,599 --> 02:23:57,239 the same Queen just thought of something 3019 02:24:01,429 --> 02:23:59,609 but it's also near the end of the 3020 02:24:04,250 --> 02:24:01,439 segment so whatever that something is 3021 02:24:06,019 --> 02:24:04,260 whatever that something is about we're 3022 02:24:08,179 --> 02:24:06,029 going to take a quick pause a positive 3023 02:24:12,109 --> 02:24:08,189 refreshes and then we'll be back and 3024 02:24:14,090 --> 02:24:12,119 I'll persist with my thought and see if 3025 02:24:16,399 --> 02:24:14,100 it's anything there that should be 3026 02:24:19,429 --> 02:24:16,409 explored further we have dr. 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02:28:25,260 do 9/11 either you're fighting a war on 3124 02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:27,359 terror and that wasn't going to Iraq 3125 02:28:33,500 --> 02:28:29,760 which was another lie just pull up in 3126 02:28:44,750 --> 02:28:33,510 people's eyes understand book Kampf 3127 02:28:46,130 --> 02:28:44,760 killing Uncle Sam book calm this is 3128 02:28:48,170 --> 02:28:46,140 Micah Hanks to the graylien report and 3129 02:28:50,360 --> 02:28:48,180 you're listening to the para cast the 3130 02:28:57,751 --> 02:28:50,370 gold standard of paranormal radio 3131 02:29:00,011 --> 02:28:57,761 [Music] 3132 02:29:03,041 --> 02:29:00,021 so we have those commercials for these 3133 02:29:05,230 --> 02:29:03,051 places that do DNA testing by 23andme 3134 02:29:07,450 --> 02:29:05,240 and maybe the little feature those 3135 02:29:10,270 --> 02:29:07,460 shtick they can do here is we will also 3136 02:29:13,720 --> 02:29:10,280 test your DNA to see if you're an alien 3137 02:29:15,810 --> 02:29:13,730 hybrid or something but I mean there 3138 02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:15,820 might be something in common in 3139 02:29:23,881 --> 02:29:19,280 different people I mean 23 anyone good 3140 02:29:26,171 --> 02:29:23,891 maybe a ufologist could see if there's 3141 02:29:29,560 --> 02:29:26,181 comprehensive shoes and when people were 3142 02:29:31,780 --> 02:29:29,570 twins and family to see your phones and 3143 02:29:34,421 --> 02:29:31,790 then take a lot of expense though and 3144 02:29:37,751 --> 02:29:34,431 nobody spending your own study that's 3145 02:29:40,511 --> 02:29:37,761 amazing well if you sell it as a 3146 02:29:42,791 --> 02:29:40,521 mass-market product you know one test is 3147 02:29:45,251 --> 02:29:42,801 always going to be expensive but if you 3148 02:29:47,711 --> 02:29:45,261 can sell a million mm-hmm 3149 02:29:50,831 --> 02:29:47,721 just thinking we should call some 3150 02:29:52,990 --> 02:29:50,841 doctors in some DNA specialists and get 3151 02:29:55,690 --> 02:29:53,000 some venture capital I'm kidding 3152 02:29:57,730 --> 02:29:55,700 well it is interesting though and it's 3153 02:30:00,341 --> 02:29:57,740 not the first time that it's been 3154 02:30:03,070 --> 02:30:00,351 suggested that we study the witnesses 3155 02:30:05,680 --> 02:30:03,080 instead of the UFOs in there but there 3156 02:30:08,740 --> 02:30:05,690 was something recently from the Pentagon 3157 02:30:12,011 --> 02:30:08,750 study as somebody from the big lower 3158 02:30:13,871 --> 02:30:12,021 aerospace studies had apparently at the 3159 02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:13,881 skinwalker ranch they were testing the 3160 02:30:19,480 --> 02:30:16,570 guards to see what sort of effect the 3161 02:30:22,121 --> 02:30:19,490 experiences had you know what what 3162 02:30:25,060 --> 02:30:22,131 markers that may have left on them so 3163 02:30:28,091 --> 02:30:25,070 you know if that may be a significant 3164 02:30:30,990 --> 02:30:28,101 portion of research in the future you 3165 02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:31,000 know I don't feel uncomfortable about 3166 02:30:36,041 --> 02:30:33,530 suggesting that humans be used as guinea 3167 02:30:38,381 --> 02:30:36,051 pigs for UFO research but maybe that's 3168 02:30:40,690 --> 02:30:38,391 the I don't suppose you want to subject 3169 02:30:42,940 --> 02:30:40,700 them to it but if they have been exposed 3170 02:30:45,910 --> 02:30:42,950 then you test them to make sure to see 3171 02:30:48,371 --> 02:30:45,920 what points are uncommon well I think 3172 02:30:50,970 --> 02:30:48,381 that would be a good idea because now 3173 02:30:54,160 --> 02:30:50,980 all this study is a size and shape and 3174 02:30:56,381 --> 02:30:54,170 brightness of the UFOs well they need to 3175 02:30:59,110 --> 02:30:56,391 study the people to and they need 3176 02:31:02,980 --> 02:30:59,120 questionnaires such as have you seen one 3177 02:31:05,470 --> 02:31:02,990 UFO that's you've seen many at what ages 3178 02:31:07,591 --> 02:31:05,480 did this happen do your family members 3179 02:31:09,130 --> 02:31:07,601 see it and things like that because 3180 02:31:11,590 --> 02:31:09,140 experience yours 3181 02:31:14,830 --> 02:31:11,600 to be study this is much as the UFOs do 3182 02:31:16,479 --> 02:31:14,840 I think and nobody no I mean Cathleen 3183 02:31:18,729 --> 02:31:16,489 Martin is doing some but I don't think 3184 02:31:20,620 --> 02:31:18,739 there's too many studies on it I think 3185 02:31:22,899 --> 02:31:20,630 we should probe that next time we have 3186 02:31:24,250 --> 02:31:22,909 her on the show she comes on every year 3187 02:31:26,649 --> 02:31:24,260 or so so I always have a good time 3188 02:31:28,479 --> 02:31:26,659 talking with her so where do you intend 3189 02:31:31,139 --> 02:31:28,489 to go from here you've got this book 3190 02:31:33,490 --> 02:31:31,149 that's what the second book you did for 3191 02:31:37,059 --> 02:31:33,500 Philip mantel what do you have for 3192 02:31:40,179 --> 02:31:37,069 number three I don't know I have more 3193 02:31:43,330 --> 02:31:40,189 material it's more like the first look 3194 02:31:45,880 --> 02:31:43,340 instead of this some things about dr. 3195 02:31:49,630 --> 02:31:45,890 Hynek and some other things about Mattel 3196 02:31:52,840 --> 02:31:49,640 studies and things yeah I might look at 3197 02:31:54,660 --> 02:31:52,850 but I'm not sure so I haven't I haven't 3198 02:31:57,269 --> 02:31:54,670 started on anything else right then 3199 02:31:58,570 --> 02:31:57,279 you're recovering from this one first 3200 02:32:02,920 --> 02:31:58,580 yeah 3201 02:32:06,130 --> 02:32:02,930 hangover the PTSD you know I used to 3202 02:32:07,780 --> 02:32:06,140 write assembly line looks on consumer 3203 02:32:11,860 --> 02:32:07,790 electronics personal computers stuff 3204 02:32:14,290 --> 02:32:11,870 like that and the issue there was I had 3205 02:32:16,870 --> 02:32:14,300 no time because you do a thousand-page 3206 02:32:19,689 --> 02:32:16,880 book and you'd have maybe six eight 3207 02:32:22,410 --> 02:32:19,699 weeks to do it it's not like you're 3208 02:32:24,969 --> 02:32:22,420 researching it's like you know part one 3209 02:32:27,070 --> 02:32:24,979 click on the finder part two you know 3210 02:32:28,719 --> 02:32:27,080 things like that it's you don't want to 3211 02:32:31,149 --> 02:32:28,729 know this is not the kind of book 3212 02:32:33,250 --> 02:32:31,159 writing you'd want to do it was okay I 3213 02:32:36,340 --> 02:32:33,260 actually spent a couple of years there 3214 02:32:38,050 --> 02:32:36,350 where I had some books that what they 3215 02:32:41,740 --> 02:32:38,060 call earned out is you know or made 3216 02:32:44,710 --> 02:32:41,750 decent royalties I was shocked I have a 3217 02:32:46,870 --> 02:32:44,720 tangent on book production so so for 3218 02:32:49,540 --> 02:32:46,880 years you apparently you were the you 3219 02:32:53,559 --> 02:32:49,550 helped edit the the MUFON symposium 3220 02:32:55,809 --> 02:32:53,569 booklets so I was wondering you did were 3221 02:32:58,599 --> 02:32:55,819 you part of selecting the speakers and 3222 02:33:00,250 --> 02:32:58,609 and really what I wanted to know is are 3223 02:33:04,260 --> 02:33:00,260 there any interesting stories about the 3224 02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:04,270 rejects now I just I was the director 3225 02:33:12,340 --> 02:33:08,720 publications I just edited what they had 3226 02:33:17,030 --> 02:33:12,350 already selected the writings that went 3227 02:33:20,900 --> 02:33:17,040 into the in font sympodium proceedings 3228 02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:20,910 I'm often wondered how I have some of 3229 02:33:26,511 --> 02:33:24,570 those and I wondered how many people 3230 02:33:28,820 --> 02:33:26,521 stuck to the script did they deliver the 3231 02:33:31,460 --> 02:33:28,830 lecture as it was printed or was there a 3232 02:33:34,490 --> 02:33:31,470 lot of ad-libbing and different material 3233 02:33:38,060 --> 02:33:34,500 I think it just depended some people 3234 02:33:39,980 --> 02:33:38,070 said that they weren't going to stick to 3235 02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:39,990 their script and this is their script 3236 02:33:44,590 --> 02:33:41,130 and they're gonna say something else 3237 02:33:48,200 --> 02:33:44,600 with in lots of people more or less 3238 02:33:50,810 --> 02:33:48,210 stuck to their script so I think most 3239 02:33:54,680 --> 02:33:50,820 people more or less stuck to their 3240 02:33:57,980 --> 02:33:54,690 script the chair to mention who Ladd 3241 02:34:00,200 --> 02:33:57,990 lives a lot Harley 3242 02:34:02,390 --> 02:34:00,210 said that he was starting out with the 3243 02:34:05,540 --> 02:34:02,400 script and he was not gonna say what 3244 02:34:07,370 --> 02:34:05,550 you'd written there what I used to do 3245 02:34:10,730 --> 02:34:07,380 when I do lectures I only did a few is I 3246 02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:10,740 have like index cards you know lay out 3247 02:34:15,380 --> 02:34:13,290 the subjects then put down the index 3248 02:34:16,670 --> 02:34:15,390 cards and then an hour later I'd look at 3249 02:34:21,650 --> 02:34:16,680 them and say well I guess I should have 3250 02:34:23,060 --> 02:34:21,660 gotten to this subject so I wasn't 3251 02:34:25,700 --> 02:34:23,070 disciplined enough for that I could be 3252 02:34:28,190 --> 02:34:25,710 pretty disciplined but after I got 3253 02:34:35,770 --> 02:34:28,200 comfortable at it I thought it flowed 3254 02:34:39,500 --> 02:34:35,780 better if I just talked yeah I just and 3255 02:34:41,720 --> 02:34:39,510 also their experience in speaking and I 3256 02:34:43,550 --> 02:34:41,730 suppose after a while you get used to 3257 02:34:45,530 --> 02:34:43,560 saying the same thing and think of 3258 02:34:47,350 --> 02:34:45,540 variations and think of numerous things 3259 02:34:50,990 --> 02:34:47,360 to add to it and things like that 3260 02:34:54,770 --> 02:34:51,000 so I suppose a more experienced speakers 3261 02:34:58,130 --> 02:34:54,780 probably stick slices to the script and 3262 02:35:01,120 --> 02:34:58,140 somebody that's beginning also I think 3263 02:35:04,580 --> 02:35:01,130 if you're not a real professional 3264 02:35:11,150 --> 02:35:04,590 lecturer if you read a script that 3265 02:35:12,830 --> 02:35:11,160 sounds stilted but if you just talk it 3266 02:35:14,360 --> 02:35:12,840 sounds more authentic because people say 3267 02:35:17,270 --> 02:35:14,370 oh he's just talking at me he's not 3268 02:35:18,860 --> 02:35:17,280 reading off a script that depends on the 3269 02:35:23,210 --> 02:35:18,870 person some people just do wonderful 3270 02:35:26,750 --> 02:35:23,220 jobs at reading scripts others 3271 02:35:29,261 --> 02:35:26,760 pardon oh I'm sorry brings up another 3272 02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:29,271 issue about we have out 3273 02:35:33,341 --> 02:35:31,040 some of the most talented people whose 3274 02:35:35,500 --> 02:35:33,351 researches are not necessarily good 3275 02:35:37,930 --> 02:35:35,510 orator so they they may have you know 3276 02:35:40,360 --> 02:35:37,940 some brilliant notion on UFL propulsion 3277 02:35:43,060 --> 02:35:40,370 or some topic like that but they're not 3278 02:35:46,540 --> 02:35:43,070 good at expressing it so you know it's 3279 02:35:49,540 --> 02:35:46,550 in in some of the showman they get there 3280 02:35:51,100 --> 02:35:49,550 they called the stage yeah that's a 3281 02:35:53,640 --> 02:35:51,110 trouble the people that are better at 3282 02:35:57,040 --> 02:35:53,650 speaking aren't necessarily the 3283 02:35:59,080 --> 02:35:57,050 investigator types but the people that 3284 02:36:02,230 --> 02:35:59,090 are good at speaking get a lot more 3285 02:36:05,530 --> 02:36:02,240 attention then investigator who can't 3286 02:36:07,780 --> 02:36:05,540 you public speaking very well I can 3287 02:36:10,150 --> 02:36:07,790 think of a few examples on both of those 3288 02:36:12,280 --> 02:36:10,160 but I don't that might be unkind to say 3289 02:36:15,640 --> 02:36:12,290 and then they can hate you online 3290 02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:15,650 instead of me you see so I should 3291 02:36:19,480 --> 02:36:17,210 encourage you to do that next time 3292 02:36:21,131 --> 02:36:19,490 you're on items don't move that he's 3293 02:36:22,860 --> 02:36:21,141 laughing because he doesn't know how 3294 02:36:26,440 --> 02:36:22,870 serious I am 3295 02:36:28,270 --> 02:36:26,450 right ok very good dr. irina scott can 3296 02:36:29,801 --> 02:36:28,280 you tell our listeners if they want more 3297 02:36:32,140 --> 02:36:29,811 information about the things you do is 3298 02:36:35,980 --> 02:36:32,150 there a site they can check out they can 3299 02:36:37,480 --> 02:36:35,990 check out my facebook site and even if 3300 02:36:41,470 --> 02:36:37,490 they don't belong to facebook they can 3301 02:36:45,551 --> 02:36:41,480 ask people questions i have a website 3302 02:36:47,921 --> 02:36:45,561 it's called Irina's Scott comm and I 3303 02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:47,931 think they can probably contact my 3304 02:36:51,250 --> 02:36:49,610 publisher but I think Facebook's 3305 02:36:53,740 --> 02:36:51,260 probably the best way to get in contact 3306 02:36:56,470 --> 02:36:53,750 with me and remember on Facebook they're 3307 02:37:00,040 --> 02:36:56,480 watching you Daboo they're watching you 3308 02:37:04,631 --> 02:37:00,050 that's a song lyric from the 50s by the 3309 02:37:07,900 --> 02:37:04,641 way peekaboo I'm watching you yes you 3310 02:37:11,140 --> 02:37:07,910 remember that no we get into pop culture 3311 02:37:15,131 --> 02:37:11,150 here and let's see trying to see if I 3312 02:37:17,520 --> 02:37:15,141 can find the song who sang it well the 3313 02:37:22,060 --> 02:37:17,530 Cadillacs I think Oh 3314 02:37:24,841 --> 02:37:22,070 mm-hmm remember them I'm just gonna look 3315 02:37:29,830 --> 02:37:24,851 very quickly take a boo by the Cadillacs 3316 02:37:31,961 --> 02:37:29,840 the lyrics were here we go when you come 3317 02:37:34,600 --> 02:37:31,971 home from the dance stand in the halls 3318 02:37:37,900 --> 02:37:34,610 and make romance when you do the thing 3319 02:37:40,730 --> 02:37:37,910 you shouldn't do peekaboo watching you 3320 02:37:43,190 --> 02:37:40,740 okay it's kind of a teenage kind of song 3321 02:37:45,920 --> 02:37:43,200 sounds like look at the dark you see my 3322 02:37:48,800 --> 02:37:45,930 face ah don't try to hide and I'm 3323 02:37:51,230 --> 02:37:48,810 everyplace very cool kind of sweet I'm 3324 02:37:53,300 --> 02:37:51,240 gonna give you a hot seat I want to do 3325 02:37:56,990 --> 02:37:53,310 that courage where can we find more of 3326 02:37:58,580 --> 02:37:57,000 your stuff blue blur elance.com and the 3327 02:38:01,700 --> 02:37:58,590 saucers that time forgot 3328 02:38:04,610 --> 02:38:01,710 and Jim Mosely calm that's right hey 3329 02:38:06,980 --> 02:38:04,620 don't forget that one okay you can find 3330 02:38:08,660 --> 02:38:06,990 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02:38:56,779 --> 02:38:50,770 [Music] 3345 02:38:59,809 --> 02:38:56,789 the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg 3346 02:39:02,679 --> 02:38:59,819 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3347 02:39:06,410 --> 02:39:02,689 presentation of making the impossible